MarkO

I find it fairly ironic that this thread appears the day after I cancelled my gym membership.

Tiggs

mike was indeed from the "good old days" of arnold, franco, lou, etc- back before MASSIVE roid use made them look to far removed from what people see as exceptable and, imho, a bit gross!



if your into your weights you should appreciate the pic! if your not it will look bit gay quite frankly!

shunty

hey katana - I also am an avid watcher of the UFC & Extreme fighting vids....
I come from similar background of stand-up to you, by the sounds of it....then I started watching the ju-jitsu stuff...amazing stuff to watch. have you seen the russian guy as well, vovchanchin ? he's awesome, one of the only stand-up fighters I have seen compete with the ju-jitsu guys.
looking for the right type of club in west yorks...just getting back inot shape@ the mo
ps - sorry to go off topic lads

shunty

MarkJackon

Saxo Boy, You aint gonna fit in a Saxo if you take all this advice !

I find it hard to fit my back in normal "Sports" seats as it is and get told off by the wife when I start looking big, it seems many women find big muscles a turn off

Take it easy with the weights as I always found I was hurting something or other and I am sure that someone will start going on about technique etc etc, but if you are benching 100 kilos plus if you do get it wrong it hurts.

Nowadays I stick to swimming and running and do moderate weights, leave the suplements, roids and eating 12 dozen eggs to the pros.

shunty

"if your into your weights you should appreciate the pic! if your not it will look bit gay quite frankly!"

lol escpecially with that lip fur

shunty

[Edited by shunty - 5/29/2002 1:02:59 PM]

[Edited by shunty - 5/29/2002 1:03:25 PM]

yoza

FOA MarkJackson,
Women dont find muscular men unattractive......
Your missus doesnt want you to be big.....coz youll be tempted away by hundreds of fit bitches....
As for the seats,Im 17st 5lb and after a bit of seat bending(upper back wings of my01 buckets)I fit in fine.
You mentioned hurting after 100k benchI take it you never went further than warm ups then

Katana

Shunty, Igor Vovachin is impressive indeed. But my one and true favourite is Marco Ruas. He's one of the most perfect fighters ever. If I'm not mistaken, he first started out like us, in Taekwondo and built himself from there...

*Hijacking threads is my forte.

Tiggs

yoza, 100k presses.... hes prob. on some sort of rehab programme

T

got in the passenger seat of my MY01 the otherday and realised how much ive stretch the drivers seat!!! the passenger seat was TIGHT!

shunty

yes Katana - "King of the Streets" is indeed probably the best all round fighter I have seen....although he doesn't seen to have bothered with the last few tournaments...
did you see the fight with the Olag "russian bear" Taktarov, Vale Tudo 3 or 4 I think, they stood toe-2-toe, although everyone thought it would go on the floor.
marco won & was unmarked, Olag's first defeat.
I would like to see Marco against Vovchanchin

shunty

shunty

Yoza - "You mentioned hurting after 100k benchI take it you never went further than warm ups then"



shunty

MarkJackon

Fair comment, its not muscular men they find unattractive but big monsters, short **** blokes that build themselves up sideways as if to compensate. Bodybuilding is one thing but some of the guys at the gym I used to go to in Sale were strange, 5ft nothing wall of muscle apart from skinny legs (you do need to train both ends). Big fat blokes doing huge weights making them look even fatter !
And also musly ladies with big chins, mmm lovely

Being well muscled is one thing but proper bodybuilding is not the way to good health. plus they seem to fart a lot !

100 kilos was my limit as I usually trained without a spotter. Most of the bigger lads trained with 100/120 kilos, it was only those with a point to prove that seemed to go any bigger. Nowadays have a self imposed 80 kilo limit as I dont want to hurt myself again.

Anyway, what do you lot lift on a benchpress ? proper reps, not showboating with two mates keeping hold of it.

Molds

at my strongest i was up to 85Kg (includes 20kg for olympic bar) repping 6-8 good form and sensible speed (as part of whole chest workout - not single exerceise, i.e. partly pre exhausted).

that was about 3yrs ago. took 3 months off for a rest and to "have a life". never went back hah. i like beer and curry now and just ride the mtb a bit.

was 161/2 stone with 16% body fat (am 6' 1" in the morning).

plenty of "showboaters" used to go to my gym. funny how they always had the most injuries and were the ones with cleavage and bi's but had to wear tracky bottoms because of their chicken legs

LG John

Wow, I love the way some of you lot laugh at 100kg!! I can do 3 sets of 10 reps at 60kg or move 80kg a few times but that's as strong as I get at the moment. Long way to go yet I think

MarkJackon

Saxo boy, you are doing well, its amazing how many blokes attempt 60 kilos and fail, a few of my mates decided to have a go and would come along and struggle with 40/50, you soon improve though.

Like I say, if you 60/80 and rep it out its better than ending up with 120 kilos on your chest that you cant lift off !

Notice only two have posted since, perhaps they dont have that much to "Get off their chest" as I thought.

ChristianR

iTrader: (1)

what about this natural steriods u see for sale?

and what are the benefits of steriods? say if u took steriods for x amount of months, and i guess u getting better muscle deffinition&growth, and then stopped, but kept up the same routine, what would happen?

i have never done weight training etc, but find this thread interesting

yoza

I flat bench max 145kgs for 3 sets of 6,on a heavy week....
125kgs for 5 sets of 8 on a normal week.
Have benched 155kgs for 3 with a touch..."a touch" more like an upright row
But you must remember that bench press isnt the be all and end all,but is allways the first question asked....what do yer bench?
You dont hear to many people braggin about the weight they use for wrist curls do you!
Someone asked the question,what would happen if you went on the gear for X amount of time then come off them,well thats is exactly what you do.You go on for 6-8 weeks then have a rest,then if you feel like it you repeat the process.The idea "SO IM TOLD" is to start your course with a small amount ie 1ml of decca,and 1ml of testex for the first two weeks then go to 2mls of decca and 1ml of testex for 4 weeks then come back down to what you had for the first two weeks.The idea of useing testex and decca is that testex if a fast acting roid and decca is a slow acting one,apparently they give the best results when mixed(these are injectable form)you can also get oral roids,but they are deemed more dangerous as they have a worse effect on you liver and kidneys,they usually come in 5mg tabs,but you can get Dianabol derivatives in 50mg form.
Remember steriods will give you gains,more than you would believe but if you abuse them they will kill you,simple as that.How bad do you want to be big?Bad enough to dance with the devil?Me thinks not.
Roid abuse isnt a small problem,its huge and widespread and not just in gyms,clubbers are into it aswell,dont actually know why but loads of them are on it.
Stick to your "safe" supplements and live longer.
But if you do go for the roid option get good advice.Read the "steriod bible" page to page,and visit you GP yes,no **** they will give you good sound advice on amounts and brands to take they will also send you off down to the local needle exchange(which is a feckin eye opener,smack eds everywhere)Your GP will keep an eye on you while on your course.Needles are free once you register,best to use(so Im told)are 1.5 inch blues,and greens,use the greens to draw out of the vile,and the blues to inject.The greens are bigger in diameter so its easy to draw the gear up into them,and the blues are finer so they dont hurt as much [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img].Dont attempt unless you have had proper tuition and advice,which you will get at the exchange.If you dont know the score it is easy to **** up,injecting into your syatic nerve or into a vein will ruin your day
PS never make any judgements by reading a thread on a BBS just take it all in,then get proffesional advice,your dealing with your health here,not something like "how do I make me car faster!".And weve all read some **** advice on that,but it hasnt killed us.
Later YOZA

TelBoy

Christian,

Natural steroids are overrated food supplements - most people acknowledge that with a balanced diet you can obtain all the benefits of these things without the need to buy them. But, if they give you a placebo effect and make you train harder, then that's where their use lies.
Back in 93, i competed, up to national level. Steroids allow you to recover more quickly. Therefore you can train more, therefore you get bigger and stronger.
When you're preparing for a competition however, you're depriving yourself of a lot of calories, therefore steroids allow you to continue training at pre calorie-reduction levels, resulting in fat reduction and an increase in definition.
If you stop taking steroids, your steroid-gained strength quickly goes, your size more slowly. This is a dangerous time, as it's difficult to accept putting less on the bar, hence a lot of guys injure themselves at this time.
The long term effects though, as long as you haven't taken steroids to the bitch-**** or pissing blood stage, are completely reversible - your size and strength will just return to pre-steroid levels. Hair loss is debatable, acne isn't - it goes with the territory, usually on the back, though generally it's not too bad.
But they're dangerous drugs if abused - like the WWF guy who had the heart attack the other day - he probably used more than you'd care to imagine, and high blood pressure can result, especially if your body is asked to carry round significantly more weight than it was designed to.
Any more questions, let me know

Terry

NotoriousREV

I haven't been to the gym in years, so can't remember what I was benching, was around 100 though and I'm no Johnny Half-Rep

I only ever did 1 course of steroids and the results were great, but I'm now chubby as when I stopped training, I carried on eating 3000 calories a day and changed to a totally sedentary lifestyle

I'll be back though

Bin Laden

Most body builders look totally out of proportion and are as weak as kittens due to their male inverse-anorexia dieting. Pity they didn't exercise their brains instead.

Furthermore, I' ve never met a woman that finds them remotely attractive, so what is the point? Indeed, the competitive swimmer's physique is much more admired by girls.

There is a theory that bodybuilding, and the extreme narcissism involved, is a sublimated expression of latent, repressed homosexuality.

shunty

Bin - but I bet secretly EVERYONE (including you) would love to look huge for 1 day though & mix it with the big lads on the doors

also - shoot a apple of a tree from 400 yards like clint eastwood in the "good, bad & ugly"

& don't forget - win the big one & go tell every geeky ****** @ work (including the boss) to **** right off

or is that just me

shunty

simes

I was interested in comments re creatine.

I read a while ago an article a while ago about how footballers are bulking up on muscle while pretty much sticking to the training routine for the sort of athleticism the sport requires.

The gist of the article was creatine was the key to this.

Interestingly when it was written Michael Owen was very young at the time and the article said watch what happens to him and he has definitely put on a lot of muscle quite quickly.

The article also stated that creatine is deemed relatively safe in so far that it is naturally produced by the body, and also present in red meats, but the concern medically is that such artificially high levels of creatine may prevent the body producing it naturally.

Comments anyone?

BTW I am perfectly happy with my body at 11 and a half stone now I have lost the excess baggage from giving up smoking a year ago

Simon

[Edited by simes - 5/31/2002 12:29:53 AM]

TopBanana

yoza: It's now been shown that there's no benefit in ramping the dosage at either end of the cycle!

Also, different manufacturers put different concentrations of gear in the same volume - you need to look at mg of gear, not ml of suspension! You can get oil or water suspensions and can mix different types of jucie provided they're suspended in the same stuff.

Bear in mind that have to use Clomid therapy at a pretermined amount of time after your cycle in order to kick your natural test production back in. The time gap depends on the gear used. If you're using nandralone (deca) you have to wait 3 weeks - and I think it's two for pure test (which is a v. poor cycle incidentally). If you don't do this you'll probably mess up your reproductive system but more importantly lose most of your gains

Injecting is easy, just remember to aspirate. Stay away from orals as they really do mess with your liver. Some people like to use Dianabol to kick-start a cycle as it starts working so quickly, but I'd suggest you're patient.

Not a user myself, just mates with some (big!) guys who do. And BTW, they are actually addictive psychologically

TopBanana

Few things bin:
The bodybuilders I know are far from thick. Do you know any?
Not all bodybuilders want to get *huge*
Vanity isn't the same as narcissism
I'm not convinced by the narcissism / queer link either!

Other than that, I'm totally with you

TelBoy

Bin,

Nothing like a misinformed generalisation is there?

Weak as kittens? Mate, you'd snap your pencil neck trying to move just half the weights myself and the others i train with use. Serious bodybuilders are not weak - they're not as strong as powerlifters of course, but thinking they're weak as kittens is just ignorant.

Should have exercised our brains? I have a degree, i know others who do also. Go figure.

Not attractive to women. Ok, that's personal choice - i'm married so it's not a priority, and wasn't when i started. All i can tell you is that there are plenty of women who DO find it attractive, trust me. Very very few bodybuilders reach the out of proportion, freakish look you're referring to, especially out of the gym.

Repressed homosexuality? Whatever. Appreciating a decent body, whether it's your own or someone elses, doesn't make you a closet shirt-lifter.

Any more unfounded opinions you'd like to discuss?

Terry

ragnarock

Bodybuilders thick? Somehow I doubt that very much, ,when you understand how the human body works, how it gets energy, what level of nutrition it needs, you have got to be highly intelligent! To me, they are just as intelligent as human biologists, and indeed know a lot of the same information! I would give my eye teeth to be a hulk of muscle, and am training very hard to get that way, but without knowing what to eat, when to eat and when to train/rest, my growth will take a lot longer - I will get there though!

adamp

Haven't read all the replies on here so if I'm saying something that's already been done then sorry.

I've been training for 9 years now and in that time have tried pretty much every type of training technique from Low reps as heavy as possible, cheating on every rep to doing 4 sets of 20 on every excercise.

I have also tried a fair amount of supplements available at GNC and the like. Some are **** and don't do anything but there are a couple that really do work. Creatine, HMB, Whey Protein powders and Pyruvate are all worth the money if you can get then at discounted prices. One important thing is that there is no point in taking a supplement unless you've been training for sometime (At least 6 months and preferably 12) as your body needs to be used to training before a supplement will offer true benefit. The other thing is that not all supplements work for all people. I get great gains from creatine, some people I know don't get anything at all out of it. The last thing to say about supplements is that you have to train like an absolute animal to get the best out of them and if you can lay off alcohol during that time they will also work better.

As for the training and which method is best well every person is different and there is no one method that will make everyone look big and cut. The best piece of advice I was ever given is that if the excercise you are doing pumps the muscle (i.e. fills it with blood) chances are it will grow. I train however I feel on a given day, some times this is doing heavy sets of no more than 5 reps for 4 sets but other days I will do 10 sets of 10 and go home. Tom Platz used to train his legs for 3 hours!

Basically do whatever works for you, you've already had loads of advice in this post, and always remember to try and keep the excercises strict. Lifting 100 Kg for 10 reps on the bench is one thing, lowering it all the way to the chest and back to locked out arms in a controlled manner is another thing.

If you want to read an absolutely wicked book about gym life and all that goes with it try this.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380717638/qid=1022836384/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-0381402-8510269

Sorry don't know how to put an active link in.

Hope this is of some use.

rik1471

I've recently started training at the gym.

What would an experienced opinion have to say to how frequent I should visit?

The first two days I felt pain in my muscles for about two days after, should I wait for the pain to go or continue to train through it?

Cheers

Rik

TopBanana

rik: Wait for the pain to go away! Whilst you're experiencing the muscle pain, the muscles themselves are actually in the process growing - don't interrupt it! You can shorten the recovery time by using creatine supplements. After you've been doing it for a while (a month or so), you really won't ache that much between workouts

Make sure you eat a lot of protein (chicken, fish, and supplements) and get a good 8 hours kip every night. Don't ever be tempted to miss a workout or skip a set if you're knackered - it's all about discipline

Go 3 times a week initially, but don't forget your cardio too. Don't do the cardio in the same session as your weights... do the cardio first thing in the morning on on empty stomach as the fat burns much quicker

If you want a programme or some focus, buy 'Body For Life'. American, but some sensible ideas in there

[Edited by jlanng - 5/31/2002 11:26:38 AM]

rik1471

Being very slim at the moment I don't think watching my body fat is an issue.

Is it true that muscle weighs more than fat?

I've started using creatine; put a teaspoon in a glass of coke, only for it to fizz half the drink all over the table

I'm not bothered about being a 15 stone gripper, just interested in a more athletic physique

[Edited by rik1471 - 5/31/2002 11:30:35 AM]