Teacher stabbed to death
30 April 2014, 12:13 AM
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You know what, **** it!
You delete stuff that people moan about and it's 'big brother', 'over moderation' and whatever else wants to be thrown at us. You leave posts (as I usually do) and you get people crying that we don't moderate enough, we let people 'get away' with x,y and z.
I have just about had enough of never being able to do right, when that's all I try to do. Christ, I do this in my free time and you get nothing but criticism.
Apologies to those that wanted to keep this remotely on topic.
You delete stuff that people moan about and it's 'big brother', 'over moderation' and whatever else wants to be thrown at us. You leave posts (as I usually do) and you get people crying that we don't moderate enough, we let people 'get away' with x,y and z.
I have just about had enough of never being able to do right, when that's all I try to do. Christ, I do this in my free time and you get nothing but criticism.
Apologies to those that wanted to keep this remotely on topic.
30 April 2014, 11:25 AM
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I think 99% of us agree with you
30 April 2014, 01:25 PM
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30 April 2014, 03:12 PM
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You know what, **** it!
You delete stuff that people moan about and it's 'big brother', 'over moderation' and whatever else wants to be thrown at us. You leave posts (as I usually do) and you get people crying that we don't moderate enough, we let people 'get away' with x,y and z.
I have just about had enough of never being able to do right, when that's all I try to do. Christ, I do this in my free time and you get nothing but criticism.
Apologies to those that wanted to keep this remotely on topic.
You delete stuff that people moan about and it's 'big brother', 'over moderation' and whatever else wants to be thrown at us. You leave posts (as I usually do) and you get people crying that we don't moderate enough, we let people 'get away' with x,y and z.
I have just about had enough of never being able to do right, when that's all I try to do. Christ, I do this in my free time and you get nothing but criticism.
Apologies to those that wanted to keep this remotely on topic.
01 May 2014, 12:24 PM
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01 May 2014, 01:33 PM
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My girlfriend tells me that you aren't even allowed to raise your voice to the kids now. You aren't allowed to make them stand in the corner of the room to face the wall when they've misbehaved in class to make them feel embarrassed etc. You can only encourage positive/good behaviour. How ******* crazy is that??
01 May 2014, 07:42 PM
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I found a bit more about this as one of my customers has grandchildren that were actually in the class when it happened.
The kid is on anti-depressants but didn't take his medication the day before.
Ann Maguire had put him on a lunch time detention for something he had done the day before. He was laughing and joking with other students just moments before entering the classroom but something just flipped and he jumped up and killed her just before lunch time because he didn't want to do detention.
Does it make it any less worse? Does it hell! Does he still deserve life in prison, definitely. I was bullied although my school years and I did feel crap about school, I didn't always agree with teachers but no way did I ever want or even think about doing what he did.
He isn't that unstable as he obviously bided his time and waiting to kill the oldest and smallest teacher at the school at a point when she was defenceless. If he was that unstable he would have lashed out at anyone including the male teachers that could have defended themselves.
The kid is on anti-depressants but didn't take his medication the day before.
Ann Maguire had put him on a lunch time detention for something he had done the day before. He was laughing and joking with other students just moments before entering the classroom but something just flipped and he jumped up and killed her just before lunch time because he didn't want to do detention.
Does it make it any less worse? Does it hell! Does he still deserve life in prison, definitely. I was bullied although my school years and I did feel crap about school, I didn't always agree with teachers but no way did I ever want or even think about doing what he did.
He isn't that unstable as he obviously bided his time and waiting to kill the oldest and smallest teacher at the school at a point when she was defenceless. If he was that unstable he would have lashed out at anyone including the male teachers that could have defended themselves.
01 May 2014, 10:11 PM
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My girlfriend tells me that you aren't even allowed to raise your voice to the kids now. You aren't allowed to make them stand in the corner of the room to face the wall when they've misbehaved in class to make them feel embarrassed etc. You can only encourage positive/good behaviour. How ******* crazy is that??
I was wondering whether he is mentally ill.
He could have done it to anyone I think but she happened to be the one who put him on detention. Mentally ill people don't necessarilly face reality.
As you say, it doesn't make it any better. Really sad.
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01 May 2014, 10:48 PM
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My girlfriend tells me that you aren't even allowed to raise your voice to the kids now. You aren't allowed to make them stand in the corner of the room to face the wall when they've misbehaved in class to make them feel embarrassed etc. You can only encourage positive/good behaviour. How ******* crazy is that??
02 May 2014, 12:12 AM
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PACE has something called Appropriate Adults. If you nick a minor or vulnerable person, they do not have to tell their parent/guardian etc they've been nicked unless they wish to. They can opt for an Appropriate adult to accompany them.
Appropriate adult is a defined term in English Law introduced as part of the policing reforms in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and applies in England and Wales.
In England and Wales, an appropriate adult must be called by police whenever they detain or interview a child (aged 10 to 17) or vulnerable adult. They must be present for a range of police processes, including intimate searches, and identification procedures, as detailed in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE) Codes of Practice, primarily Code C.
In relation to children, appropriate adult is defined in primary legislation under section 38(4)(a) of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, which defines the role as being "to safeguard the interests of children and young persons detained or questioned by police officers." The Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 section 63B(10) states that in relation to a 'juvenile' (aged 10–16) an appropriate adult should be:-
(a) his parent or guardian or, if he is in the care of a local authority or voluntary organisation, a person representing that authority or organisation; or
(b) a social worker of a local authority; or
(c) if no person falling within paragraph (a) or (b) is available, any responsible person aged 18 or over who is not a police officer or a person employed by the police;
Local authority Youth Offending Teams (YOTs) have a statutory duty to provide an appropriate adult for all children under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 s.38(4)(a). This is carried out whenever parents are unavailable, unwilling, or inappropriate to act as appropriate adult. Depending on the local authority, this may be carried out by YOT staff, sessional workers, community volunteers or contracted out to a specialist charity or business.[3]
The role includes: -
(a) To support, advise and assist the detained person, particularly while they
are being questioned.
(b) To observe whether the police are acting properly, fairly and with respect
for the rights of the detained person. And to tell them if you think they are not.
(c) To assist with communication between the detained person and the police.
(d) To ensure that the detained person understands their rights and that you
have a role in protecting their rights.
Appropriate adults are also required whenever mentally vulnerable adults are detained in custody.[5] However, there is no statutory provision for vulnerable adults and formal schemes are not available in all parts of England and Wales.
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Every child has to be included, no more special units for the "wayward" characters....
As for discipline.... don't make me laugh.
When I was in South Leeds, staff weren't allowed to use red pens for marking.... they use green to make positive comments and limited corrections..... more than three spelling mistakes are ignored as that would be too much (?) criticism.
Madness
dunx
P.S. PSLewis has been very quiet ? Wonder if he got stabbed at work ?
As for discipline.... don't make me laugh.
When I was in South Leeds, staff weren't allowed to use red pens for marking.... they use green to make positive comments and limited corrections..... more than three spelling mistakes are ignored as that would be too much (?) criticism.
Madness
dunx
P.S. PSLewis has been very quiet ? Wonder if he got stabbed at work ?
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