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03 May 2014, 01:13 PM
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That article it simply rumour and tittle tattle, seriously read it, try and understand the language it uses - please
it says nothing
And the McCann's sued the Mail - who then paid them a substantial amount
Tell me David, if you hired a car - would I find your DNA in it (not blood - DNA)
Show me where an official source says it
it says nothing
And the McCann's sued the Mail - who then paid them a substantial amount
Tell me David, if you hired a car - would I find your DNA in it (not blood - DNA)
Show me where an official source says it
What I read was there was some evidence in a hire vehicle that was hired a month after the disappearance.
03 May 2014, 10:19 PM
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Ok, take 46,47,48
All this so called DNA evidence, that in reality does not exist
Now, take a look a the mail link - at the top of that article
The one which says "How the Portuguese police tried to force Gerry to confess with a DNA trap"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-DNA-trap.html
These are 8 year old articles full of rubbish, and for which the mail paid the McCann's a substantial amount of money for printing
So again - give some links
Here's one - as it was raised in the leveson enquiry
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...ann-dna-police
Last November the Leveson inquiry heard how the Daily Express reported there was DNA evidence that could show the little girl's body had been stored in the spare tyre well of a hire car.
It turned out the analysis conducted in the UK was "inconclusive" and there was no foundation for making that allegation. Express Newspapers paid £550,000 damages to the McCann's in 2008 for inaccurate reporting by the Daily Express and the publisher's three other titles.
And the UK police, as stated to leveson knew this DNA Evidence was simply bollox
So give me links that are not peddling 8year old rumour and inuendo
All this so called DNA evidence, that in reality does not exist
Now, take a look a the mail link - at the top of that article
The one which says "How the Portuguese police tried to force Gerry to confess with a DNA trap"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-DNA-trap.html
These are 8 year old articles full of rubbish, and for which the mail paid the McCann's a substantial amount of money for printing
So again - give some links
Here's one - as it was raised in the leveson enquiry
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...ann-dna-police
Last November the Leveson inquiry heard how the Daily Express reported there was DNA evidence that could show the little girl's body had been stored in the spare tyre well of a hire car.
It turned out the analysis conducted in the UK was "inconclusive" and there was no foundation for making that allegation. Express Newspapers paid £550,000 damages to the McCann's in 2008 for inaccurate reporting by the Daily Express and the publisher's three other titles.
And the UK police, as stated to leveson knew this DNA Evidence was simply bollox
So give me links that are not peddling 8year old rumour and inuendo
48 - are you responsible for her disappearance
why can't she make any answer to these...?
The DNA was low copy number as the blood would have been cleaned up at the time, but trace amounts were left. 15 out of 19 components matched Maddies DNA. In 2008 British CPS accepted that LCN was evidentially sound and its ban from the judicial system lifted. 2 other countries use the technique (Netherlands and New Zealand) but not Portugal, hence only a 19 out of 19 match will suffice for their court system.
The 'inconclusive' notation on the results were due to the LCN ban still being in place in the UK. Hence why the press should not have cited this at the time i suppose
All DNA evidence is not conclusive and is given as a probability - only fingerprints are classed as unique - hence why it can never be given that it is 'Maddies DNA'. The results can only be passed to the court for its judgement.
the question - "When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA" will show that this is given as a probability, but it must be explained to the McCanns that this may be accepted by the court that this is her DNA. So they, in theory, should answer accordingly.
But she still refused to answer
03 May 2014, 11:05 PM
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46 - a dog indicated the presence of blood (not DNA) in the car
48 - are you responsible for her disappearance
why can't she make any answer to these...?
The DNA was low copy number as the blood would have been cleaned up at the time, but trace amounts were left. 15 out of 19 components matched Maddies DNA. In 2008 British CPS accepted that LCN was evidentially sound and its ban from the judicial system lifted. 2 other countries use the technique (Netherlands and New Zealand) but not Portugal, hence only a 19 out of 19 match will suffice for their court system.
The 'inconclusive' notation on the results were due to the LCN ban still being in place in the UK. Hence why the press should not have cited this at the time i suppose
All DNA evidence is not conclusive and is given as a probability - only fingerprints are classed as unique - hence why it can never be given that it is 'Maddies DNA'. The results can only be passed to the court for its judgement.
the question - "When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA" will show that this is given as a probability, but it must be explained to the McCanns that this may be accepted by the court that this is her DNA. So they, in theory, should answer accordingly.
But she still refused to answer
48 - are you responsible for her disappearance
why can't she make any answer to these...?
The DNA was low copy number as the blood would have been cleaned up at the time, but trace amounts were left. 15 out of 19 components matched Maddies DNA. In 2008 British CPS accepted that LCN was evidentially sound and its ban from the judicial system lifted. 2 other countries use the technique (Netherlands and New Zealand) but not Portugal, hence only a 19 out of 19 match will suffice for their court system.
The 'inconclusive' notation on the results were due to the LCN ban still being in place in the UK. Hence why the press should not have cited this at the time i suppose
All DNA evidence is not conclusive and is given as a probability - only fingerprints are classed as unique - hence why it can never be given that it is 'Maddies DNA'. The results can only be passed to the court for its judgement.
the question - "When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA" will show that this is given as a probability, but it must be explained to the McCanns that this may be accepted by the court that this is her DNA. So they, in theory, should answer accordingly.
But she still refused to answer
15 out of 19 would have matched the PARENTS (presumably because they were related to Madeleine ffs)
The press cited it as conclusive, that is a matter of record, that is why the McCann's sued and were successful, because it was rubbish, lies proven in court
The press printed it because they were leaked it by the Portuguese police, knowing, as the UK police did it was bollix
a lame attempt at putting the "frighteners on"
And a pretty good reason not to answer is the fact that I suspect they (the McCann's) realised they were being fitted up (a technical police term, when they have fvck all evidence) by the Portuguese.
At the stage of the investigation these questions were asked, the mcanns were suspects, suspects based on, nothing -
And that why the Portuguese dropped it
Again post links - that are not totally discredited 8 year old newspaper articles
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03 May 2014, 11:56 PM
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A lot of words but ultimately, no match,no blood, no DNA
15 out of 19 would have matched the PARENTS (presumably because they were related to Madeleine ffs)
The press cited it as conclusive, that is a matter of record, that is why the McCann's sued and were successful, because it was rubbish, lies proven in court
The press printed it because they were leaked it by the Portuguese police, knowing, as the UK police did it was bollix
a lame attempt at putting the "frighteners on"
And a pretty good reason not to answer is the fact that I suspect they (the McCann's) realised they were being fitted up (a technical police term, when they have fvck all evidence) by the Portuguese.
At the stage of the investigation these questions were asked, the mcanns were suspects, suspects based on, nothing -
And that why the Portuguese dropped it
Again post links - that are not totally discredited 8 year old newspaper articles
15 out of 19 would have matched the PARENTS (presumably because they were related to Madeleine ffs)
The press cited it as conclusive, that is a matter of record, that is why the McCann's sued and were successful, because it was rubbish, lies proven in court
The press printed it because they were leaked it by the Portuguese police, knowing, as the UK police did it was bollix
a lame attempt at putting the "frighteners on"
And a pretty good reason not to answer is the fact that I suspect they (the McCann's) realised they were being fitted up (a technical police term, when they have fvck all evidence) by the Portuguese.
At the stage of the investigation these questions were asked, the mcanns were suspects, suspects based on, nothing -
And that why the Portuguese dropped it
Again post links - that are not totally discredited 8 year old newspaper articles
15 out of 19 would only match Maddies DNA (from a known source - hair sample from her brush, toothbrush etc etc). Her DNA will be made of 50% Kate and 50% Gerry, Maddies specific sequence will be unique to her only - so it wont be a case of 15 out of 19 matching her parents as they will have their own unique sequence.
As i said, DNA is only reported as a probability of a match from the labs - even if you took blood from a known person, its only given as a probability of someone either matching or not matching it.
The press citing it as definitive were wrong and that's why they were sued. The lab reports which were given to the police can only have cited these results as a probability. Only a court can make a judgement that it accepts the DNA evidence as being from an individual. However, this has to be given to a suspect in their interview that there is the existence of DNA evidence and how that may be interpreted.
If you look at all the questions, you have to ask why she refused to answer. such as the question "who did you tell". Why can't she answer "I told everyone had they seen her, i shouted her name around the hotel". Could it be that she can not answer this because that's not what she did - and if that is the case, you have to ask why not and is this behavior covering something else. I don't know about anyone else, but if i discovered one of my children missing i would be asking everyone, knocking on doors, shouting their names.
04 May 2014, 12:14 AM
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Because they were being questioned as suspects
By a police force giving untrue and knowingly false statements to them
And that is why the Portuguese judge dropped it because he knew they had no evidence
Give me a link
I have given you one, a link, where the chief of the Leicester police force admits to a judge, in a public enquiry that the DNA evidence was rubbish
Give me link to support your claims a link that does not come from an 8 year old piece of rubbish
By a police force giving untrue and knowingly false statements to them
And that is why the Portuguese judge dropped it because he knew they had no evidence
Give me a link
I have given you one, a link, where the chief of the Leicester police force admits to a judge, in a public enquiry that the DNA evidence was rubbish
Give me link to support your claims a link that does not come from an 8 year old piece of rubbish
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04 May 2014, 12:26 AM
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Here from Wikipedia
In support of the testimony by the Leicestershire police chief to lord leveson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappe...n#cite_note-92
On 3 September John Lowe of the FSS emailed Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior of the Leicestershire police – Prior was acting as a liaison between the British and Portuguese police – to say that a sample from the boot of the car contained 15 out of 19 of Madeleine's DNA components. Lowe wrote that the result was "too complex for meaningful interpretation":
A complex LCN [low copy number] DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section ... Within the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. ... Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion.[97]
At this point, according to the Sunday Times, the Polícia Judiciária "abandoned the abduction theory."[34] The FSS email was translated into Portuguese on 4 September. The next day, according to Madeleine's mother, the Polícia Judiciária proposed that, if she were to admit that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment and she had hidden the body, she might only serve a two-year sentence; her husband would not be charged and would be free to leave.[98] Both parents were given arguido status on 7 September.[99] They were interviewed that day and were advised by their lawyer not to answer questions; Gerry decided to answer them but Kate declined.[100]
Again please share you links
In support of the testimony by the Leicestershire police chief to lord leveson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappe...n#cite_note-92
On 3 September John Lowe of the FSS emailed Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior of the Leicestershire police – Prior was acting as a liaison between the British and Portuguese police – to say that a sample from the boot of the car contained 15 out of 19 of Madeleine's DNA components. Lowe wrote that the result was "too complex for meaningful interpretation":
A complex LCN [low copy number] DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section ... Within the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. ... Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion.[97]
At this point, according to the Sunday Times, the Polícia Judiciária "abandoned the abduction theory."[34] The FSS email was translated into Portuguese on 4 September. The next day, according to Madeleine's mother, the Polícia Judiciária proposed that, if she were to admit that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment and she had hidden the body, she might only serve a two-year sentence; her husband would not be charged and would be free to leave.[98] Both parents were given arguido status on 7 September.[99] They were interviewed that day and were advised by their lawyer not to answer questions; Gerry decided to answer them but Kate declined.[100]
Again please share you links
04 May 2014, 12:41 AM
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It doesn't matter if they are being questioned as suspects or witnesses, why refuse to answer if they know the truth. If they want the investigation to continue, they should answer the questions raised and allow the police to pursue other lines of inquiry. By refusing to answer, they are stalling the investigation as the police will have further inquiries on them.
Here's a link for you
http://dna-view.com/profile.htm
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/200...cumentary.html
Here's a link for you
http://dna-view.com/profile.htm
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/200...cumentary.html
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04 May 2014, 01:57 AM
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First of all Jerry McCann has very high profile friends in very very high places.
Why did gordon brown get involved on a personal level?
So many unanswered questions.......
cadaver dogs.
Dog handler Martin Grime brought his springer spaniels, Eddie and Keela, to Praia da Luz. Eddie is trained to detect the scent of human corpses, Keela is trained to detect the presence of human blood. Eddie had never given a false alert in around 200 previous outings.
He alerted to the odour of a human corpse in these locations:
four different places in the McCanns apartment, two of Kate McCann’s clothes, one of their children’s T-shirts, on the pink soft toy called Cuddle Cat,and in two places in the Renault Scenic that the McCanns hired.
Eddie did not alert to a corpse scent anywhere else in Praia da Luz.
The McCanns said that the smell of death may have been found on Kate McCann’s clothes because she was said to have been close to six corpses in her last two weeks at work.
They also said that the smell of death may have been found on Madeleine’s soft toy Cuddle Cat because Kate sometimes took Cuddle Cat to work, ah that explains how the smell of death could be deposited on her child's soft toy?
Why did Kate McCann washed the pink soft toy, Cuddle Cat before the sniffer dogs arrived in Portugal.
Why did gordon brown get involved on a personal level?
So many unanswered questions.......
cadaver dogs.
Dog handler Martin Grime brought his springer spaniels, Eddie and Keela, to Praia da Luz. Eddie is trained to detect the scent of human corpses, Keela is trained to detect the presence of human blood. Eddie had never given a false alert in around 200 previous outings.
He alerted to the odour of a human corpse in these locations:
four different places in the McCanns apartment, two of Kate McCann’s clothes, one of their children’s T-shirts, on the pink soft toy called Cuddle Cat,and in two places in the Renault Scenic that the McCanns hired.
Eddie did not alert to a corpse scent anywhere else in Praia da Luz.
The McCanns said that the smell of death may have been found on Kate McCann’s clothes because she was said to have been close to six corpses in her last two weeks at work.
They also said that the smell of death may have been found on Madeleine’s soft toy Cuddle Cat because Kate sometimes took Cuddle Cat to work, ah that explains how the smell of death could be deposited on her child's soft toy?
Why did Kate McCann washed the pink soft toy, Cuddle Cat before the sniffer dogs arrived in Portugal.
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04 May 2014, 02:00 AM
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04 May 2014, 07:17 AM
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It doesn't matter if they are being questioned as suspects or witnesses, why refuse to answer if they know the truth. If they want the investigation to continue, they should answer the questions raised and allow the police to pursue other lines of inquiry. By refusing to answer, they are stalling the investigation as the police will have further inquiries on them.
Here's a link for you
http://dna-view.com/profile.htm
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/200...cumentary.html
Here's a link for you
http://dna-view.com/profile.htm
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/200...cumentary.html
I will prefer to get my information from the people who conducted the forensics on the samples
I repeat what they said "to complex for meaningful interpretation"
And the second link
Simply a webpage of the transcript of the book made by the disgraced and sacked Portuguese detective
The McCanns sued for libel in June 2009, and in September that year a Portuguese judge issued an injunction against further publication or sales of the book, banned Amaral from repeating his claims, and passed the copyright of the book and an accompanying documentary film to the McCanns' lawyer.
Is that it, a generic technical article on DNA and another re-hash of crap that has been rubbished in a court of law
So please please give me a link
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04 May 2014, 08:59 AM
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Moving aside from the DNA - how about the other questions? Why can't she answer
How about the scent of a corpse in the room by the cadaver dogs
Why, on discovering that Maddie was missing/abducted, did she leave the two young boys alone and go back to the tapas bar. Why not shout from the balcony or use her phone.
does any of her behaviour not seem suspicious
04 May 2014, 09:08 AM
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Is this comment for real???
They left her on her own(Apparently), they wont answer questions posed by the police!!!
So no I dont feel sorry for them at all they are money grabbing attention seeking ****** the pair of them, the only thing I really hope happens is the truth comes out and if the F**ckers had anything to do with it I would like to be at the front of the queue to give them a really good kicking....B**tards
04 May 2014, 09:26 AM
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They left her on her own(Apparently), they wont answer questions posed by the police!!!
So no I dont feel sorry for them at all they are money grabbing attention seeking ****** the pair of them, the only thing I really hope happens is the truth comes out and if the F**ckers had anything to do with it I would like to be at the front of the queue to give them a really good kicking....B**tards
So no I dont feel sorry for them at all they are money grabbing attention seeking ****** the pair of them, the only thing I really hope happens is the truth comes out and if the F**ckers had anything to do with it I would like to be at the front of the queue to give them a really good kicking....B**tards
I've got a three year old daughter and if they didn't do it, which I have to assume they didn't, no matter how much to blame they are for putting her at risk, this situation has made them pay a million times over.
I can't imagine the pain they must feel every day.
04 May 2014, 09:34 AM
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Basically as has been shown, despite requests to provide evidence to back anything you said up you can't and neither could the Portuguese, which is why no charges were ever bought against the Mccans
You play pretty fast and loose with facts - thank fvck you have no role in the justice system in this country
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04 May 2014, 10:28 AM
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Praia de Luge is renowned as a swingers resort.
The McCanns and Clarence Mitchell swung together.
They had a problem with being disturbed during their adult games.
It was too risky to have several groups of children asleep with babysitters as if there was a problem the group might be disturbed in the middle of their activities.
Solution,sedate them the children.
Madeleine gets an overdose.
Problem, if this gets out we are all in trouble. Doctors will be struck off for stealing sedatives, administering sedatives, people will be embarrassed. We are all equally guilty.
Solution concoct an abduction story which we all will stick by no matter what.
Help Gerry and Kate hide the body until they can dispose of it later.
I should go to the police with my theory
Ps hodgy
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04 May 2014, 12:12 PM
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McCanns are Swingers.?
Praia de Luge is renowned as a swingers resort.
The McCanns and Clarence Mitchell swung together.
They had a problem with being disturbed during their adult games.
It was too risky to have several groups of children asleep with babysitters as if there was a problem the group might be disturbed in the middle of their activities.
Solution,sedate them the children.
Madeleine gets an overdose.
Problem, if this gets out we are all in trouble. Doctors will be struck off for stealing sedatives, administering sedatives, people will be embarrassed. We are all equally guilty.
Solution concoct an abduction story which we all will stick by no matter what.
Help Gerry and Kate hide the body until they can dispose of it later.
I should go to the police with my theory
Ps hodgy
Praia de Luge is renowned as a swingers resort.
The McCanns and Clarence Mitchell swung together.
They had a problem with being disturbed during their adult games.
It was too risky to have several groups of children asleep with babysitters as if there was a problem the group might be disturbed in the middle of their activities.
Solution,sedate them the children.
Madeleine gets an overdose.
Problem, if this gets out we are all in trouble. Doctors will be struck off for stealing sedatives, administering sedatives, people will be embarrassed. We are all equally guilty.
Solution concoct an abduction story which we all will stick by no matter what.
Help Gerry and Kate hide the body until they can dispose of it later.
I should go to the police with my theory
Ps hodgy
04 May 2014, 12:56 PM
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Exactly. Every day must be unimaginable for the McCanns and they live with possibility of never knowing what has happened to their daughter. I think the McCanns only "crime" was leaving their children without proper supervision.
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This, by a qualified doctor.
So yes, they can be stupid.
05 May 2014, 02:11 PM
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I had my suspicions about the McCann's at the outset, but as time passed and having seen several interviews on TV with both parents, I am not convinced they had any active role in the disappearance of their daughter.
The official documents released by the Portuguese authorities are available http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm if you have time to sift through and read them.
The official documents released by the Portuguese authorities are available http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm if you have time to sift through and read them.
05 May 2014, 05:32 PM
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How long ago was that Zip? There is a very well discussed/cited case of when this happened. Was it administered into his spine?
05 May 2014, 06:15 PM
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Iirc, he was showing signs of remission when the Dr injected the drug into his spine.
There was no going back, and he and his family just had to wait for him to die
I got to know his Uncle very well first and still see him, and over the last year or so his dad.
I'm sure you know the case in more detail?
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