pimmo2000

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Jesus, what happened to the doctor?

zip106

Have a read of this - to be fair, it wasn't just the Drs fault.

http://www.smd.qmul.ac.uk/risk/yearfive/casestudies/wayne-jowett.html

Martin2005

See this thread is heading in the usual direction

Only thing missing now is alien abduction

Felix.

And where does it say 'no match'

The scientist concluded that it was too complex for interpretation

You fail to see that this is his interpretation only - although he is an expert witness, another could interpret them in another way. The point where a definitive conclusion is drawn is at the court stage.

This will form part of the evidence (no matter how strong or weak) and should be put to any suspect in interview. When asked in interview, she would have had the opportunity to see and question the results and conclusions, but decided to say nothing.

You keep saying 'no match' and wanted evidence to back my claims that the DNA is only reported as a probability - so I posted you a link which shows this.

Unfortunately, my internet does not show any links along the lines of "100% certain proof of what happened"

Everything is going to be speculation, my point is why she couldn't/wouldn't answer those questions. Why is there a smell of a corpse in their room and in the car? Read some of the statements from the police files which highlights some of the contradictions. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

What facts have I "played pretty fast and loose" with? The fact is that she is saying that she has helped the investigation as much as she can, yet refused to answer the questions even when it was pointed out that her refusal to answer would hamper the investigation.

stipete75

I'm sorry but this will just not do!!
Don't you know that hodgy() knows best.
You are .
Hehe.
I on the other hand am more open minded and agree to an extent,there are too many ifs buts whys and why nots in this case, there is no wonder a lot feel the MCCanns are guilty of something.

zip106

Sorry....

hodgy0_2

Because I suspect she knew that the Portuguese police were no longer looking for Maddie

And the interview/questioning was about her as a suspect in the death of Maddie

Nothing to do with helping find her

After all these questions were being asked several months afterwards, - not in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance

So it is not as if the police came to the apartment that night and asked her those questions, and she refused to answer

And she must have known the police were briefing the press with inaccurate and misleading information - hence the headlines - "100 certain Maddie was In the hire car"

Felix.

She was elevated to 'suspect' status following the police dogs finding the evidence of a corpse in the room. That coupled with inconsistencies with initial witness accounts from the witnesses (particularly those at the Tapas bar). That's why the police became suspicious, or did you just expect the police to ignore this and carry on looking regardless. This occurred 4 months after the initial incident and the interview plan could only be established following their initially lines of enquiry. Eg she could only be asked about the findings of the dog once it had been over there and searched.

Hence, they will only ask these questions as a suspect if they had an idea of what the answer would be. these answers would not be known at the initial stage


Where was that headline from?

hodgy0_2

The sun, amongst many others

THE SUN front page: “BRIT LAB BOMBSHELL – CAR DNA IS 100%
THE TELEGRAPH: “Hire car DNA 'is complete match' to Madeleine.”.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2007....michellepauli

The tabloids - and the Telegraph - continue to lead with the McCann case this morning, following further leaks from "sources close to the case". The papers focus on the claim that the DNA samples in the car hired by Kate and Gerry McCann 25 days after their daughter Madeleine's disappearance are a "100% complete match". The samples are understood to be blood and to have been found under the carpet in the boot of the car. They are, says the Telegraph, being treated by Portuguese detectives as "strong evidence" that Madeleine died in the apartment before her body was placed in the car.

The Sun adds that the Portuguese police have been tapping the couple's phones and hacking into their emails since early August, while the Mirror reports that officers in Praia da Luz are beginning a fresh search of the McCanns' rented villa and other nearby sites, including the small local church for which the couple were given keys.

What the Sun calls the "Brit lab bombshell" of the forensic evidence seems to be ever so slightly changing the tone of the coverage today, and the Telegraph says that the case is now "dividing public opinion with sympathy for Madeleine's parents apparently waning". The paper reports that a Radio Five Live phone-in was abandoned yesterday morning because of the unexpected degree of anti-McCann feeling voiced by callers.

hodgy0_2

the inconsistancies in statements have been put down to the fact that the questions were translated into english and the answers then translated back to portoguese

stipete75

It wouldn't suprise me if the british establishment was involved in some sort of coverup of the death or disappearance of M.
Gerry mccann has friends in high places, he has connections that are involved with the extablishment. If this is the case they should be getting worried as whistleblowers are leaking info on a weekly basis at the moment.
There is just too much evidence in favour of the parents being guilty, why are the police/establishment not looking into the huge(gaping)inconsistencies in the evidence or the blatant evidence slapping them in the face.
Seems 90% of the worlds population think their guilty just not the police or the establishment.
What are they hiding and why?..

dpb

The police have hidden the body from the establishment ....?!!

This gets more and more convoluted

stipete75

Lol not quite.

hodgy0_2

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-DNA-trap.html


Portuguese police tried to force a confession from Gerry McCann by confronting him with false DNA 'evidence', it has been revealed.
Detectives told the devastated father they had found incriminating DNA from his missing daughter Madeleine.
They said it was in the family's holiday apartment and, crucially, the boot of their hire car, rented 25 days after the little girl vanished.

British scientists had already warned the Portuguese that the forensic evidence was far from conclusive and the DNA could have come from almost anyone.

hodgy0_2

You want to send all this evidence to Felix

Web links will do

Felix.

as I said before -
"...The scientist concluded that it was too complex for interpretation

You fail to see that this is his interpretation only - although he is an expert witness, another could interpret them in another way. The point where a definitive conclusion is drawn is at the court stage.

This will form part of the evidence (no matter how strong or weak) and should be put to any suspect in interview. When asked in interview, she would have had the opportunity to see and question the results and conclusions, but decided to say nothing..."



If the Mail want to report it as a trap, then that's the tabloids for you - the tabloids being correct all the time that's is

They were initially made suspects as a result of the dogs indicating a corpse in the room as apposed to the DNA analysis.

Also 15 out of 19 matched her - do we just ignore this...?


As I said before -
".... The scientist concluded that it was too complex for interpretation

You fail to see that this is his interpretation only - although he is an expert witness, another could interpret them in another way. The point where a definitive conclusion is drawn is at the court stage.

This will form part of the evidence (no matter how strong or weak) and should be put to any suspect in interview. When asked in interview, she would have had the opportunity to see and question the results and conclusions, but decided to say nothing..."

stipete75

First of all, these links are theory's, not facts, Secondly, a theory is useful to stimulate investigative avenues not yet thought of that might lead to evidence that would otherwise have been overlooked.

http://truthformadeleine.com/2012/01...tunnel-vision/
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013...ne-e-fits.html
http://thecolemanexperience.wordpres...dirty-secrets/

hodgy0_2

What would be the match to the rest of the mcann family?

Felix.

There you go again saying 'match'. Its only a probability of having the same DNA sequence as another individual. The interpretation of this probability can only be deduced at a court. Its always quoted as the 'probability of this sample belonging to another individual as 1 in 10000000' for example. Even Jeremy Kyle should not really be saying 'you match the DNA sample'


The individual components will not be unique to Maddies DNA and will have 50% from each parent - its the specific combination/sequence which will be unique. Of this specific combination, they are saying that 15 out of 19 characters are the same as her reference sample.

hodgy0_2

you used the term "match" first not me

the simple fact is no blood was found and no usable DNA evidence

neil-h

I had a bit of a read on that last website and it's really quite amusing So we're all to believe the UK is ran by a secret ruling class of satanic child molesters. These consipiracy theories just get better and better.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Said on Auntie this morning that a team is going out with some radar equipment.

Must be looking for a grave, then?

Felix.

Blood was found - the dog indicated the presence of blood in the flat and the car. This evidence together with that of the DNA and the statements obtained need to be put to the suspects in interview, hence the DNA evidence is usable....

"...The scientist concluded that it was too complex for interpretation

You fail to see that this is his interpretation only - although he is an expert witness, another could interpret them in another way. The point where a definitive conclusion is drawn is at the court stage.

This will form part of the evidence (no matter how strong or weak) and should be put to any suspect in interview. When asked in interview, she would have had the opportunity to see and question the results and conclusions, but decided to say nothing..."

hodgy0_2

blood was not found

"the dog indicated the presence of blood in the flat and the car" - does not constitute blood samples being found

the forensic science service could not determine whether the DNA samples were blood

r32

The Portuguese Police were inept, all along they were late or didn't do anything at all. They allowed the apartment and the car to be contaminated so any evidence in the car or in the apartment could not be relied upon. Past cases of evening or night child assaults in the area were not disclosed, nor were local apartment break ins.

There is no doubt that the parents were remiss in leaving the children. I know that both parents will suffer with the result of their actions for the rest of their lives. But the Portuguese Police did not investigate fully or even competently, there have been several hundred leads identified by the Met Police. But the Portuguese authorities are not cooperating and making the UK officers lives very difficult. Why would this be?

Felix.

The dog 'Keela' will only detect the presence of Human blood. The FSS could not determine what the DNA was from but they could not rule out that it was or wasn't blood.

Hence, you have evidence of the presence of human blood - based on what the dog indicated.

hodgy0_2

sure - but again "evidence of the presence of human blood" is not blood, it really is that simple

and it would not tell you who's blood anyway

no blood was collected no blood was examined

and the FSS couldn't rule out that it was or wasn't kryptonite

and as R32 has pointed out, by the time these dogs were used the crime scene was thoroughly compromised

David Lock

Felix, why don't you go and arrest them and leave us all in peace

Devildog

The situation could have been avoided had she exercised a reasonable duty of care towards her child.

She didn't and therefore I can feel nothing but contempt for what that woman's actions have put an innocent child through.

hodgy0_2

does that contempt extend to every parent that has had experience of a child death

say on the beach, in the car, etc etc