Originally Posted by ditchmyster

It's all well and good bashing landlords but they are at least providing a service to those who for one reason or another are unable to get on the housing ladder, to suggest they should not receive some sort of recompense for said service is a kin to suggesting we all go to work for free.

Originally Posted by ditchmyster

To suggest those of us that use petrol are somehow complicit in the systematic oppression of poor oil rich countries and their corrupt governments and oil companies that bribe them as a way of avoiding the fact that one makes ones bigger than required for survival loaf of daily bread from the misery of others is laughable in the extreme,

Originally Posted by tarmac terror

I think the article fails to understand the real reasoning behind why these spikes are installed, they are designed to remove a sleeping site for a pigeon, but this is not as harsh as it may seem. Pigeon rough sleeping is a form of slow suicide, whatever situation has caused that pigeon to be on the street will have already damaged their self esteem and stripped away their dignity. When they have lived this life for a while they see themselves as being of no worth, their life is without purpose and they can see no way to escape their situation. Removing their sleeping site, is part of a strategy to force them out into the open, to force them towards help. Sleeping on the street is not a good thing, it kills pigeons. There are a small number of pigeons who "choose" to extracate themselves from society, for a range of reasons. This type of homeless pigeon doesn't sleep in doorways, they don't sleep outside apartment blocks for the well-heeled, they hide away from the world, they make themselves difficult to find - I know of a former soldier who behaves like this as a result of PTSD. Those who sleep in doorways and foyers of apartment blocks are a symptom of severe mental health problems, drug or alcohol problems. There are support services available to assist with those problems (they need improement through investment but that is another debate), but those affected by homelessness need persuaded they can not continue as they are, and need to be compassionately directed towards those support services.

Originally Posted by f1_fan

That post was not aimed at me you dullard FFS!!!

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Oh and to answer the 'other poster' above London and the SE is worse for this sort of attitude than the rest of the country, the fact you think it isn't is actually an indicator of the insular nature of people who live there

Originally Posted by An0n0m0us

And now a cheap dig at all those that live in the South, nothing like a bit of generalisation by your own standards, eh?

Originally Posted by An0n0m0us

I haven't read the rest of the 4 pages yet but once again you resort to name calling and insults. I needn't say any more as your replies speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by An0n0m0us

You are qualified to generalise all people from the South because you orginate from there? Right...

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Ah but asking someone a question, answering it for them and then calling them a hypocrite based on the answer they never gave is OK is it? I guess it is when it's me in the firing line eh? Not that you aren't approaching this from a neutral standpoint of course

Originally Posted by jonc

Hang on, we have a number of well known forum members who bang on about how devisive the media is and how exploititive, agenda ridden, lying and manipulative they are in decieving the masses. Now all of sudden we have the same members hook, lined and sinkered by an article with a devisive "anti-homeless" headline, which on the face of it, has no evidence of their purpose and is story composed of complete speculation by twitter users as to what the spikes might be used for, but because it mentions "homeless" they all get holier than thou.

We don't know what the spikes are for and why and who requested they be put there, it may have nothing to do with the homeless and was on the demand of the tenants to have them installed to stop people loitering in that alcove as they feared for their safety late at night.

Originally Posted by jonc

Hang on, we have a number of well known forum members who bang on about how devisive the media is and how exploititive, agenda ridden, lying and manipulative they are in decieving the masses. Now all of sudden we have the same members hook, lined and sinkered by an article with a devisive "anti-homeless" headline, which on the face of it, has no evidence of their purpose and is story composed of complete speculation by twitter users as to what the spikes might be used for, but because it mentions "homeless" they all get holier than thou.

Originally Posted by jonc

We don't know what the spikes are for and why and who requested they be put there, it may have nothing to do with the homeless and was on the demand of the tenants to have them installed to stop people loitering in that alcove as they feared for their safety late at night.

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Yep, next question!

PS Not all, most of the immigrants are OK actually

Originally Posted by An0n0m0us

So instead of lowering yourself to playground name calling simply point out they are wrong. As an example I'm sure Ding gets frustrated at some of the replies on here but I haven't seen him resorting to name calling and insults.

The first time I read it it did appear initially they were referring to you and not the OP because not everyone on here reads every thread in NSR and I for one had no idea that TDW's had posted a thread on tax avoidance and so I didn't make the immediate 'obvious' association either.

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful

Landlords do not provide a service in principle, they just rent. They have a right not to kick someone out of their property and for that they are rewarded. It's money for not doing something.

Still as Ding has mentioned there are accidental landlords and my ire is more directed at the leveraged BTL 'investors'. You do realise that these speculators are driving up property prices so some people are forced to rent. A property they buy is one not available to an owner occupier.

Originally Posted by An0n0m0us

And with that answer I look forward to you ever pulling anyone else up on generalising a section of the population, be it immigrants or otherwise.

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Ah but asking someone a question, answering it for them and then calling them a hypocrite based on the answer they never gave is OK is it? I guess it is when it's me in the firing line eh? Not that you aren't approaching this from a neutral standpoint of course

Originally Posted by Martin2005

I had to laugh at this response - because this is what you do to me all the time

Which I think pretty much qualifies you as a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Good for you, but I think we'll find that you are not really in any position to lecture anyone about generalisation given your posting history on certain subjects on here!

Originally Posted by Martin2005

I had to laugh at this response - because this is what you do to me all the time

Which I think pretty much qualifies you as a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Well pay more attention then or keep your fingers off the keyboard would be my advice! Otherwise you can end up looking like a bit of a dullard!

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Firstly you have to respect someone to value their opinion which is why what you think matters little to me.

Secondly you're wrong!

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Extremely good point and not one that had escaped me so I did a bit of 'research' the same way anyone can and they are indeed for the very purpose described in the multitude of articles about them.

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Yes, people like the homeless!

Originally Posted by An0n0m0us

But I don't go taking the moral high ground over it where as you clearly do whilst making your own generalisations. Another example of your hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Well I'd take being a hypocrite over being a bigot!

Look it's not moral high ground, I just believe I am right and you are wrong. That't it really! Sorry it isn't any deeper than that, but not much point thinking deeply when posting on SN.

Originally Posted by An0n0m0us

As if anyone on here is going to take advice off of you. And as for paying attention if that's what your life revolves around, being on forums all the time being constantly on the 'pulse' then for your own sake it's time you had another ban and spend some more time in the real World.

Originally Posted by jonc

What 'research'? You mean more newspaper articles? Unless we hear comments from the tenants and landlord as to why they were installed, then it is still pure speculation pushed by the media.

Originally Posted by f1_fan

Who made you judge, jury and executioner?

So we have two options here. We either continue going back and forth both trying to have the last word or you accept I can't be doing with you (because I can't just so as you know) and me vice versa and we leave it at that.

Up to you!