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09 June 2014, 10:28 AM
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You don't seem to have much respect for a lot of the SN users and make it known that you think SN doesn't deserves much of your time. You also don't seem to like the newer Subaru cars so why bother?(Genuine question)
09 June 2014, 10:32 AM
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I guess there is some nostalgia there too. This place was fantastic in the early 2000s
PS Don't worry it's not just SN, I don't have much time for most people ... prefer animals to most human beings to be honest!
09 June 2014, 10:42 AM
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The first time I read it it did appear initially they were referring to you and not the OP because not everyone on here reads every thread in NSR and I for one had no idea that TDW's had posted a thread on tax avoidance and so I didn't make the immediate 'obvious' association either.
09 June 2014, 10:54 AM
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If anyone who regularly had someone sleeping in their doorway of their home, they would unsurprisingly get p!ssed off with it and will do something about it, be it studs in the ground or some other less subtle form of deterrent or calling the authorities. But the point is, you'd move them on and stop them from coming back. I doubt anyone would actually invite them in to their home or regularly escort them to a homeless shelter. The property owner is only doing what everyone else would do and everyone has a right to protect their property and the safety of the occupants or family, especially if the unfortunate is a habitual drug user leaving needles, or rubbish or excrement there and who may pose a potential threat to their own or family's safety.
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09 June 2014, 11:02 AM
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If anyone who regularly had someone sleeping in their doorway of their home, they would unsurprisingly get p!ssed off with it and will do something about it, be it studs in the ground or some other less subtle form of deterrent or calling the authorities. But the point is, you'd move them on and stop them from coming back. I doubt anyone would actually invite them in to their home or regularly escort them to a homeless shelter. The property owner is only doing what everyone else would do and everyone has a right to protect their property and the safety of the occupants or family, especially if the unfortunate is a habitual drug user leaving needles there, or rubbish or excrement there.
09 June 2014, 11:23 AM
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This keeps being bandied about on this thread, but that is not the point I am making. I am simply saying that it is a pretty mean spirited solution to the symptom of a problem and maybe investing time and money as a society in solving the actual problem would be better than dreaming up these sort of things!
09 June 2014, 11:30 AM
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If anyone who regularly had someone sleeping in their doorway of their home, they would unsurprisingly get p!ssed off with it and will do something about it, be it studs in the ground or some other less subtle form of deterrent or calling the authorities. But the point is, you'd move them on and stop them from coming back. I doubt anyone would actually invite them in to their home or regularly escort them to a homeless shelter. The property owner is only doing what everyone else would do and everyone has a right to protect their property and the safety of the occupants or family, especially if the unfortunate is a habitual drug user leaving needles, or rubbish or excrement there and who may pose a potential threat to their own or family's safety.
The owners are treating the homeless like vermin; unwanted objects which must be banished to protect their Holy profit.
Nice prejudice against the homeless too.
09 June 2014, 11:47 AM
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Sure I agree with that sentiment, but what is this property owner to do in the mean time? Look after the interest and safety of the tenants or suffer the wrath of twitter users in who in any event likely do the same in the same situation. This problem will never get solved, there will always be homelessness and there is nothing you or I or anyone else can do to fix it. We pay our taxes to the Governement and to our local councils and we give to charities in the hope the money given/paid will go someway to ease the plight of those unfortunate who don't have homes to go to, that is the reality.
I am sorry to keep banging this drum, but surely there is something fundamentally wrong with a country that can find the money to spend on fighting other country's wars or giving overseas aid out like it is confetti yet cannot find the resources to put a roof over the head of some of its own population or am I wrong?
09 June 2014, 12:11 PM
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I doubt the property owners give a toss about the occupants since it's a block of flats many which are probably BTL or at least leasehold.
The owners are treating the homeless like vermin; unwanted objects which must be banished to protect their Holy profit.
Nice prejudice against the homeless too.
The owners are treating the homeless like vermin; unwanted objects which must be banished to protect their Holy profit.
Nice prejudice against the homeless too.
You have know idea what the property owner gives or doesn't give a toss about. You make a lot of unsubstaniated assertions regarding property owners and are very much part of your own problem since you choose to support the "profiteering" landlords which in turn makes you no better. I doubt you give a f*ck about the homeless any more than anyone else as clearly you have used this story for nothing more than another opportunity to basically slag of landlords. Whilst you failed to dodge paying your taxes, the intention was there and have in the past chose ply your trade to facilitate the massive profits of energy companies who charge high consumer prices both of which would have gone someway to adding to the homeless problem. Rather than speculating on a housing crash, which ironically would further add to the homeless problem, go and buy a house and stop supporting the landlords, if only to stop your incessent whinging.
09 June 2014, 12:20 PM
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Landlords do not provide a service in principle, they just rent. They have a right not to kick someone out of their property and for that they are rewarded. It's money for not doing something.
Still as Ding has mentioned there are accidental landlords and my ire is more directed at the leveraged BTL 'investors'. You do realise that these speculators are driving up property prices so some people are forced to rent. A property they buy is one not available to an owner occupier.
Still as Ding has mentioned there are accidental landlords and my ire is more directed at the leveraged BTL 'investors'. You do realise that these speculators are driving up property prices so some people are forced to rent. A property they buy is one not available to an owner occupier.
I can't help feel that your apparent disliking of the BTL scheme is warping your common sense slightly.
09 June 2014, 12:34 PM
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You can rent out a flat without leaving your sofa or doing anything other than the occasional communication with your letting agent.
So what is the landlord actually doing in return for the money?
Mowing someones lawn is a service. Sitting on a sofa isn't.
09 June 2014, 12:36 PM
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FFS TDW, change the f'ing record. You have know idea what the property owner gives or doesn't give a toss about. You make a lot of unsubstaniated assertions regarding property owners and are very much part of your own problem since you choose to support the "profiteering" landlords which in turn makes you no better. I doubt you give a f*ck about the homeless any more than anyone else as clearly you have used this story for nothing more than another opportunity to basically slag of landlords. Whilst you failed to dodge paying your taxes, the intention was there and have in the past chose ply your trade to facilitate the massive profits of energy companies who charge high consumer prices both of which would have gone someway to adding to the homeless problem. Rather than speculating on a housing crash, which ironically would further add to the homeless problem, go and buy a house and stop supporting the landlords, if only to stop your incessent whinging.
You have know idea what the property owner gives or doesn't give a toss about. You make a lot of unsubstaniated assertions regarding property owners and are very much part of your own problem since you choose to support the "profiteering" landlords which in turn makes you no better. I doubt you give a f*ck about the homeless any more than anyone else as clearly you have used this story for nothing more than another opportunity to basically slag of landlords. Whilst you failed to dodge paying your taxes, the intention was there and have in the past chose ply your trade to facilitate the massive profits of energy companies who charge high consumer prices both of which would have gone someway to adding to the homeless problem. Rather than speculating on a housing crash, which ironically would further add to the homeless problem, go and buy a house and stop supporting the landlords, if only to stop your incessent whinging.I've already said I don't work for an oil company.
I have the same exchange relationship with them that you do.
As for 'dodging' my taxes doesn't nobody here have an ISA?
09 June 2014, 12:38 PM
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Personally, I would not want my house/apartment block to be attractive to night sleepers in the interests of my and my family's safety, and although carrot is better than stick, either is better than nothing in this respect.
Yes it is sad that people sleep on the streets, but lets have that conversation when you are not asleep on my doorstep, and have that conversation in parliament/town hall.
Yes it is sad that people sleep on the streets, but lets have that conversation when you are not asleep on my doorstep, and have that conversation in parliament/town hall.
09 June 2014, 01:31 PM
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I never said you did.
That wasn't how you were trying to dodge tax.
09 June 2014, 01:48 PM
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09 June 2014, 02:14 PM
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Seeing that picture I Couldn't help but think of the amount of money that was put into the Millennium dome (£789 million according to the national audit) which was intended as a celebration of our achievements as a society in the year 2000.
It's now 2014 and we're resorted to the kind of countermeasures we use to stop pigeons perching on statues to stop homeless people from taking shelter in doorways.
Rhetorical statement? Maybe. But can't help but think that somewhere we've gone very wrong as a society!
It's now 2014 and we're resorted to the kind of countermeasures we use to stop pigeons perching on statues to stop homeless people from taking shelter in doorways.
Rhetorical statement? Maybe. But can't help but think that somewhere we've gone very wrong as a society!
09 June 2014, 02:26 PM
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Seeing that picture I Couldn't help but think of the amount of money that was put into the Millennium dome (£789 million according to the national audit) which was intended as a celebration of our achievements as a society in the year 2000.
It's now 2014 and we're resorted to the kind of countermeasures we use to stop pigeons perching on statues to stop homeless people from taking shelter in doorways.
Rhetorical statement? Maybe. But can't help but think that somewhere we've gone very wrong as a society!
It's now 2014 and we're resorted to the kind of countermeasures we use to stop pigeons perching on statues to stop homeless people from taking shelter in doorways.
Rhetorical statement? Maybe. But can't help but think that somewhere we've gone very wrong as a society!
09 June 2014, 02:28 PM
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'Dodging' tax with ISA's or living overseas is the same in essence.
09 June 2014, 02:53 PM
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09 June 2014, 03:02 PM
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At end of the day no one is going to give you house for free, you have to pay someone, so rather than go whinging and blaming others and the law for your situation, why don't you take some responsibility for your own situation and do something about it instead of festering in it. This is another example of a failing in some people, there's always someone else to blame for their predicament.
BTW there's a huge difference between a HMRC endorsed savings scheme and living abroad to dodge tax!
09 June 2014, 03:29 PM
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09 June 2014, 03:30 PM
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09 June 2014, 03:35 PM
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09 June 2014, 03:59 PM
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Not really. We both enter into exchange relationships with oil companies. You exchange your cash for petrol, I exchange my labour for cash, that is all. Besides I don't even work for an oil company as I have said before if anyone bothers to read. I work for a company which provides drilling services, whether the well be for water, oil, gas, or even geothermal.
Oh and I noticed how you dodged the last part of my post.
09 June 2014, 04:01 PM
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I've already proved it isn't a service because nothing is actually being done just for the 'rent' alone.
It's like If I made you pay me to breath the air. Would I be 'providing' a 'service'?
You yourself said a service is an 'activity'. But the landlord is paid rent in return for NOT doing an activity...i.e., not kicking you out of their house.
FYI I concede that some of the arguably some of the money pays for upkeep, insurance etc, but it's money which comes out of the Tenant's pocket anyway!
It's like If I made you pay me to breath the air. Would I be 'providing' a 'service'?
You yourself said a service is an 'activity'. But the landlord is paid rent in return for NOT doing an activity...i.e., not kicking you out of their house.
FYI I concede that some of the arguably some of the money pays for upkeep, insurance etc, but it's money which comes out of the Tenant's pocket anyway!