neil-h

So hotel owners don't provide a service either?

Oh and for your benefit, the Internet says:

So I would have said providing and maintaining a house for someone in exchange for rent is indeed a service.

jonc

Well yes if you were doing diving equipment rentals, I'm sure you would make me pay to use your aqualung if I went diving, thereby stopping you from drowning me.

tony de wonderful

Maintaining is one thing yes but 'providing' in this context just means not stopping you living in a house.

How much is maintaining a house each week? A fraction of the rent.

I already gave an example of a service which was lawn mowing - nothing 'concrete' is handed over.

tony de wonderful

That's being obtuse.

dpb

Can be a quite a proportion, unless you live in a newish chav block of flats middle of city somewhere

Carnut

I dont understand, why is it so important that a landlord should do something for his rent? Maybe the landlord has already done they're bit and worked/works very hard following some well earned qualifications for example.

TDW if you was to win the lottery or come in to some big money another way would you just give it up because you haven earn't it? Or what about interest, do you give all yours away because you have no direct physically link to the money I.e you haven't worked for it?

If someone has been fortunate/hard working/lucky enough to be able to have rental properties then good look to them I say. I know I have/do and will always put myself and my family first and I wouldn't give up sometime lucrative just to be nice.

jonc

You're right, that is, but it's no different to a landlord who is "paid rent in return for NOT doing an activity...i.e., not kicking you out of their house."

dpb

Back to the same bloody argument every time.

Maybe go live a bedouin existence

neil-h

How exactly? If the owner wasn't using the house, then yes I see your point but we are talking about renting. The key element of a house/flat rental agreement is the exchange of money for the use of the rented property. This isn't stopping you from living there, in fact it could actually constitute facilitating it as if you can't afford a mortgage then renting is another option.

tony de wonderful

Not really since scuba gear has to be manufactured and maintained and its use administered.

Property on the other hand - in essence - is simply declared as someones monopoly right...that is to say their right to exchange it for cash.

tony de wonderful

Of course they aren't stopping you from living there. That is why you give them cash, so they don't exercise their right to stop you. That is what it comes down to.

tony de wonderful

I'm sure slave owners shared the same sentiments.

neil-h

And the bank will do exactly the same if you don't keep up your mortgage payments...

Carnut

I would consider giving something up if it caused direct harm to someone and was not at the cost of my own families well being. But I feel iam trying to defend myself from someone accusing me of having the same mentality of a historic slave owner and I know that cant be true.

tony de wonderful

You don't think dipping your hand in someone else's pocket is harming them?

Carnut

TDW have you not considered having a house built? Sure you would have to buy land but would that not be a lesser evil?

Carnut

Yes maybe to some extent but where do you draw the line? Should I not send my child to a certain school just in case a lesser privileged child loses out. Or maybe I should sell my car so not to harm the environment. Perhaps I should cut all the flowers down in my garden so the little boy next door doesn't get hayfever.

We ALL could do things differently, but what makes you think that somebody renting a property out ways any other good they may be doing in the world?

jonc

Exchange what for cash?

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

He was throwing insults on page one, he always has to in an attempt to insult anyone with a different opinion to his. There is no point arguing with someone who is so arrogant they simply cannot see how hypocritical they are.
The site was far nicer when he was recently banned.

Chip

Sanctimonious is a word that comes to mind when discussing our friend.

Dingdongler

Tony, let's say you got your wish and from tomorrow legislation was passed such that all btl landlords had five years to sell their property. Nobody would then allowed to rent out a property, without exception. You could own a second home for your own use etc but not rent it out.

Would this resolve all the issues you have with housing/property etc?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

And there is absolutely no point arguing with you when you are incapable of understanding the point being discussed. That's not an insult, it is a fact and you do it on every thread you engage me on. I will debate rationally and politely with anyone as long as they can clearly grasp the debate being had and don't try and steer the debate in a direction to suit their agenda!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I've a couple of words come to mind when discussing you, but you wouldn't like them!

tony de wonderful

Ding what good has your beloved BTL boom done?

Dingdongler

Firstly I have no idea why you describe it as "MY beloved BTL boom". I am not what you would really call a professional landlord. Please don't forget I'm a doctor, I spend the vast majority of my time looking after my patients.

Secondly, and more importantly, PLEASE answer the question. You do yourself no favours by blantantly avoiding a very clear and fair question. But we all know why you are avoiding it.

lordharding

iTrader: (1)

Quite funny reading t d w hatred of landlords

It's simple you buy a house morgage is paid of in 20/25 years or sooner of your clever
Then you own it
no more payments and you can save up for your retirement
If your even clever you buy another house so you can rent out and gave you addional income

I got made redundant 4 months ago and in my particular field found it impossible to get a job and was /am on the scrap heap and our wonderful benefits system awarded me £20 a week jsa as I have savings and a pt job despise paying 250k + in taxes

Many people would be totally snookered Fortunely I will have a roof over my head that they can't take off me and can survive on a reduced income and can afford a lower paid job as my rental income supplements my savings

cmr SCOOBY

whey

Chip

Do you mean apart from giving many people work during construction and maintenance thereby boosting the economy, as well as giving someone a place to live.

cmr SCOOBY

whey

jonc

Good luck in getting a straight answer! The long and short of it is he hates renting and therefore hates landlords. He begrudges the fact that with all the money he pays in rent he will still walk away with nothing come the end of the tenancy; begrudges the fact he continues to misjudge the market waiting to capitalise on crash that has yet to materialise; begrudges that prices continues it's steady rise despite his hypocrisy as someone who would also fuel the rise by openly admitting he has no problems in being a scumbag gazumping another buyer for a property .

Prepare for more obfuscation from TdW.