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10 June 2014, 03:04 PM
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I remember being a kid at the swimming pool looking across at the diving pool with the olympic sized high platform and seeing kids like me jumping off, being petrified of heights myself I was amazed they could even climb the ladder let alone jump off the top. I wasn't much of a swimmer at that time but was determined i'd jump off it one day. After jumping off the two lower boards a few times the time came to go for the big one, I was completely crapping myself going up there but with other kids behind me I had no choice but to continue, finally I made it to the top wandered up to the edge and had a peer over, that was probably one of the most frightening moments of my young life. So I stood up there for a good 10 minutes watching loads of kids run and jump, I really wanted to go back down the ladder but the thought of that almost had me in tears and if i'd have fallen off the ladder it was hello concrete floor, I decided to take a deep breath and run and jump. It was a long way down and when I hit the water with a thump I went deeper than i'd ever been before underwater and even had to let the air out of my lungs because they were bursting, a few kicks later and I made it to the surface gasping for air, swam to the ladder and got out.
I have taken that lesson through my life and it has served me well, just don't forget to grab your ***** which is the mistake I made the first time.
I have taken that lesson through my life and it has served me well, just don't forget to grab your ***** which is the mistake I made the first time.
Anyway I think I'll call it a day here. You aren't posting anything more interesting that the "I'm considerably richer than you" type responses. It's boring, it's also nauseating that you think wealth gives you moral authority.
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10 June 2014, 03:55 PM
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TDW by your logic all we need are farmers and house builders, or to put it another way a roof over are head and food on the table.
Can I ask, if you was to win the lottery would you give it all away if indeed you play or have ever played? To some extent I get what you are saying but really dont understand why you dislike people that do well for them selves. You could say life is a game/battle and is it not everybody's goal to win, ie beat the system.
One of my goals in life has always been to work hard enough so my wife doesn't have to, I think that its one of the ultimate wins in life to be able to leave the rat race and just enjoy life.
Ditchy is one of the winners in life and rather than resenting him you should applaud him. I know that I dont expect him to look round to see if iam o.k, I would just expect him to appreciate what he's got and make some room for when I get there.
Can I ask, if you was to win the lottery would you give it all away if indeed you play or have ever played? To some extent I get what you are saying but really dont understand why you dislike people that do well for them selves. You could say life is a game/battle and is it not everybody's goal to win, ie beat the system.
One of my goals in life has always been to work hard enough so my wife doesn't have to, I think that its one of the ultimate wins in life to be able to leave the rat race and just enjoy life.
Ditchy is one of the winners in life and rather than resenting him you should applaud him. I know that I dont expect him to look round to see if iam o.k, I would just expect him to appreciate what he's got and make some room for when I get there.
10 June 2014, 03:59 PM
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as opposed to a load of lawyers and management consultants
10 June 2014, 04:07 PM
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Thats why I was a dairy farmer before I became disabled, not in case I got stuck on a deserted island but because I think its a very pure way of life.
10 June 2014, 04:09 PM
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Thanks for answering.
Ok so I'll agree rents and property prices are high and so can be a problem. Actually my own experience is that rents haven't increased anywhere near as much as property prices, but lets not split hairs.
I'll also agree that btl and property speculation can cause problems and skew the market.
So I've taken both steps with you. Now tell me, will preventing anybody from renting out a property resolve the issues to your satisfaction?
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10 June 2014, 04:21 PM
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Then we should all go into the colosseum with a sword in our hands.
People like him are responsible for our property boom and resultant problems. Speculation has driven up prices and rents for everyone else.
Property is a zero sum game. His gain is someone else's loss. It's a contribution to society of NOTHING except to take away from someone else.
But that's just me.
Property is a zero sum game. His gain is someone else's loss. It's a contribution to society of NOTHING except to take away from someone else.
But that's just me.
10 June 2014, 04:26 PM
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Thanks for answering.
Ok so I'll agree rents and property prices are high and so can be a problem. Actually my own experience is that rents haven't increased anywhere near as much as property prices, but lets not split hairs.
I'll also agree that btl and property speculation can cause problems and skew the market.
So I've taken both steps with you. Now tell me, will preventing anybody from renting out a property resolve the issues to your satisfaction?
Ok so I'll agree rents and property prices are high and so can be a problem. Actually my own experience is that rents haven't increased anywhere near as much as property prices, but lets not split hairs.
I'll also agree that btl and property speculation can cause problems and skew the market.
So I've taken both steps with you. Now tell me, will preventing anybody from renting out a property resolve the issues to your satisfaction?
I'm not going to commit to specific policy because you would be able to find fault I'm sure.
10 June 2014, 04:28 PM
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Then we should all go into the colosseum with a sword in our hands.
People like him are responsible for our property boom and resultant problems. Speculation has driven up prices and rents for everyone else.
Property is a zero sum game. His gain is someone else's loss. It's a contribution to society of NOTHING except to take away from someone else.
But that's just me.
People like him are responsible for our property boom and resultant problems. Speculation has driven up prices and rents for everyone else.
Property is a zero sum game. His gain is someone else's loss. It's a contribution to society of NOTHING except to take away from someone else.
But that's just me.
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10 June 2014, 04:46 PM
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I think that disincentivising BTL would be a good idea, or more specifically leveraged BTL...certainly for existing housing stock. And I'd like to see a return to tenancy rights of old.
I'm not going to commit to specific policy because you would be able to find fault I'm sure.
I'm not going to commit to specific policy because you would be able to find fault I'm sure.
Come on Tony, you are VERY specific about the problem so why can't you be specific about a policy based solution?
And which tenancy rights of old are you talking about?
10 June 2014, 04:56 PM
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Some people would say that the bigger picture is that we need to build more houses and make better use of existing buildings, ie convert old mills to flats or make better the space above shops in the town etc.
10 June 2014, 05:22 PM
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Then we should all go into the colosseum with a sword in our hands.
People like him are responsible for our property boom and resultant problems. Speculation has driven up prices and rents for everyone else.
Property is a zero sum game. His gain is someone else's loss. It's a contribution to society of NOTHING except to take away from someone else.
But that's just me.
People like him are responsible for our property boom and resultant problems. Speculation has driven up prices and rents for everyone else.
Property is a zero sum game. His gain is someone else's loss. It's a contribution to society of NOTHING except to take away from someone else.
But that's just me.
I've dealt with growing numbers of insolvent BTL landlords (both individuals and corporate entities) over the past few years due to falling property prices, tenants rights (which have never been greater than they are now, by the way), changing regulations which very much work against the landlords and the fact that rents have been increasing more slowly than costs.
So having been directly involved for many years forgive me for calling bollox on your assertions.
If you want to blame someone for the escalating property prices from circa 2000 to 2007/2008 blame not the BTL landlords, but blame the average man and woman in the street who sought to buy bigger and better houses than they would otherwise be able to afford were it not for comparatively low interest rates and the ease with which 100% and often more morgages were available based on, frankly, ridiculous salary and earnings multipliers.
But to solely blame BTL landlords and speculators for ecalating house prices, high rent and a lack of affordable housing is, quite frankly, ridiculous and not meritorious of further "discussion" with you.
Get that massive chip in your shoulder seen to before your arm falls off.
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10 June 2014, 05:23 PM
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You can take away someones future earnings, and though that their future labour.
10 June 2014, 05:31 PM
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You live in a rental....which is your choice .
When you have a problem at home (leak , dodgy door etc) all you do is make a phone call to the estate agent......
Unlike ding and everyone on here who owns a BTL , and everyman and dog who is on the 'normal' property ladder....they pay out of there pockets.
It's 'one' of the reasons you pay a inflated price , to cover all these things , including odd months where the property is vacant.
I love the rental market.....it's where 90% of my work comes from.
And just for 'hodgys' benefit ......as above I love the tramps/smack heads and typical oxygen thieves we have.......they trash most places they get and I get to put a nice invoice in before the next tramp moves in......just a on going cycle that supports my family well thank you
You live in a rental....which is your choice .
When you have a problem at home (leak , dodgy door etc) all you do is make a phone call to the estate agent......
Unlike ding and everyone on here who owns a BTL , and everyman and dog who is on the 'normal' property ladder....they pay out of there pockets.
It's 'one' of the reasons you pay a inflated price , to cover all these things , including odd months where the property is vacant.
I love the rental market.....it's where 90% of my work comes from.
And just for 'hodgys' benefit ......as above I love the tramps/smack heads and typical oxygen thieves we have.......they trash most places they get and I get to put a nice invoice in before the next tramp moves in......just a on going cycle that supports my family well thank you
10 June 2014, 05:43 PM
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So please explain how someone owning a property has denied you your future earnings and your labour, especially since yours or anyone else's future brings no guarantee for either. Since it's the future, you don't have it yet.
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10 June 2014, 05:44 PM
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Strange that you think such an experience unique.
Anyway I think I'll call it a day here. You aren't posting anything more interesting that the "I'm considerably richer than you" type responses. It's boring, it's also nauseating that you think wealth gives you moral authority.
Anyway I think I'll call it a day here. You aren't posting anything more interesting that the "I'm considerably richer than you" type responses. It's boring, it's also nauseating that you think wealth gives you moral authority.
You and your likes are the reason i've opted out, please excuse me as I don't usually resort to name calling, but your a first class idiot. I don't care about money never have, never will. If I did i'd have turned over enough properties to make the average persons head spin.
All I ever wanted was freedom and as soon as I arrived at a point that it was available to me I took it.You however keep working to feed your greed and by doing so feed the machine / mechanisms you claim to dislike so much, just admit your a hypocrite and get on the housing ladder, then continues to delude yourself into thinking your some kind of philanthropist fighting for justice for the would be home owner, when in fact you work in one of the most destructive industries on the planet.
Have you ever stopped to think about the ecological damage your chosen profession is doing to mankind? I doubt it very much as all your interested in is how much money you make so you can become one of us.
If you want to look at the big picture I suggest you remove your blinkers.
10 June 2014, 06:17 PM
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You and your likes are the reason i've opted out, please excuse me as I don't usually resort to name calling, but your a first class idiot. I don't care about money never have, never will. If I did i'd have turned over enough properties to make the average persons head spin. All I ever wanted was freedom and as soon as I arrived at a point that it was available to me I took it.
You however keep working to feed your greed and by doing so feed the machine / mechanisms you claim to dislike so much, just admit your a hypocrite and get on the housing ladder, then continues to delude yourself into thinking your some kind of philanthropist fighting for justice for the would be home owner, when in fact you work in one of the most destructive industries on the planet.
Have you ever stopped to think about the ecological damage your chosen profession is doing to mankind? I doubt it very much as all your interested in is how much money you make so you can become one of us.
If you want to look at the big picture I suggest you remove your blinkers.
All I ever wanted was freedom and as soon as I arrived at a point that it was available to me I took it.You however keep working to feed your greed and by doing so feed the machine / mechanisms you claim to dislike so much, just admit your a hypocrite and get on the housing ladder, then continues to delude yourself into thinking your some kind of philanthropist fighting for justice for the would be home owner, when in fact you work in one of the most destructive industries on the planet.
Have you ever stopped to think about the ecological damage your chosen profession is doing to mankind? I doubt it very much as all your interested in is how much money you make so you can become one of us.
If you want to look at the big picture I suggest you remove your blinkers.
One reason I work is so I can pay rent to my Landlord.
There are a lot of people like yourself who need supporting (not working themselves).
I'm forced to work in this industry.
10 June 2014, 06:36 PM
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I was always taught that "discretion was the better part of valour" and consider myself middle of the road with regard to politics but Tony, you have some issues that judging by just this thread are so tunnel visioned you can only lose long term.
10 June 2014, 06:42 PM
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Exploit tenants 
I don't force anybody to rent off me, in fact they might even prefer to rent.
I don't force anybody to rent off me, in fact they might even prefer to rent.
Stop seeing me through the lense of yourself. This isn't a game or market I asked to play yet you credit me with having made a move so as to profit. I just haven't bought 'cos its a lot of money and a lot of debt, and until recently I didn't want to settle. Unlike you I'll probably buy a house (if I do) to live in, not to exploit tenets or sell to the next Greater Fool (speculation).
One reason I work is so I can pay rent to my Landlord.
There are a lot of people like yourself who need supporting (not working themselves).
I'm forced to work in this industry.
One reason I work is so I can pay rent to my Landlord.
There are a lot of people like yourself who need supporting (not working themselves).
I'm forced to work in this industry.
10 June 2014, 07:28 PM
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Stop seeing me through the lense of yourself. This isn't a game or market I asked to play yet you credit me with having made a move so as to profit. I just haven't bought 'cos its a lot of money and a lot of debt, and until recently I didn't want to settle. Unlike you I'll probably buy a house (if I do) to live in, not to exploit tenets or sell to the next Greater Fool (speculation).
One reason I work is so I can pay rent to my Landlord.
There are a lot of people like yourself who need supporting (not working themselves).
I'm forced to work in this industry.
One reason I work is so I can pay rent to my Landlord.
There are a lot of people like yourself who need supporting (not working themselves).
I'm forced to work in this industry.
we're so different for one major reason, my mind is open and yours is closed, locked down, shut, bankrupt and devoid of reason.Every house I ever bought I lived in for more than 10yrs then just moved onwards and upwards, it's what progressive open minded people do, start at the bottom and work their way up.
The first one I put new roof, windows, electrics, central heating,2 bathrooms, kitchen, new floors throughout an extension, hell I even replaced floor joists, damp proofed, pointing which included replacing many blown bricks and rebuilding chimney stacks. Excuse me for getting something back for MY efforts.
I don't need support from you or anyone, I put myself in a position to be able to support myself, I work for me and mine.
Nobody is forced to do anything, it's a choice.
Mr self righteous needs to look at himself in the mirror, stop worrying about what other people are doing and being jealous and blaming others for his plight, get off your butt stop taking the easy option or suck it up and stop whinging.
10 June 2014, 08:32 PM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-9506390.html
Welcome to London where the homeless are literally treated like vermin.
Welcome to London where the homeless are literally treated like vermin.
Tony, back to your main topic of this thread: Boris doesn't like 'homeless' spikes either.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9514421.html
I thought I'd post a follow up, as spikes issue seems to have got lost among this to-and-fro BTL debate.
Some sources say that Boris is playing politics in his tweets, but he has no real solution to the 'homeless' problem.
10 June 2014, 08:40 PM
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As you say you 'opted out' of having to work.
Most disgustingly of all you somehow believe you are self-sufficient and nothing to do with industries like the oil industry. You are COMPLETELY dependent on others just the relationships are indirect and abstract.
It's you who turned this into a thread about your own self-glorification because you bought some houses with debt and it paid off....like the rest of the herd.
If you want to know what is wrong with Britain today it's people like you.
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10 June 2014, 08:42 PM
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Tony, back to your main topic of this thread: Boris doesn't like 'homeless' spikes either.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9514421.html
I thought I'd post a follow up, as spikes issue seems to have got lost among this to-and-fro BTL debate.
Some sources say that Boris is playing politics in his tweets, but he has no real solution to the 'homeless' problem.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9514421.html
I thought I'd post a follow up, as spikes issue seems to have got lost among this to-and-fro BTL debate.
Some sources say that Boris is playing politics in his tweets, but he has no real solution to the 'homeless' problem.
People get vicious when their Holy property rights are questioned.
The spikes 'work' sure, but I was more interested in what they represent or symbolise.
10 June 2014, 08:48 PM
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He does nothing except leach of others.
If you think that economically inactive people are good then so be it; people who do nothing, who contribute nothing, yet consume resources.
It's only the institution of ownership that sets him apart from welfare claimants.
And he doesn't even own productive assets.
Besides I was more referring to the debt fueled speculation and its effect on living costs.
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10 June 2014, 09:12 PM
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He doesn't make a living, others make it for him.
He does nothing except leach of others.
If you think that economically inactive people are good then so be it; people who do nothing, who contribute nothing, yet consume resources.
It's only the institution of ownership that sets him apart from welfare claimants.
And he doesn't even own productive assets.
Besides I was more referring to the debt fueled speculation and its effect on living costs.
He does nothing except leach of others.
If you think that economically inactive people are good then so be it; people who do nothing, who contribute nothing, yet consume resources.
It's only the institution of ownership that sets him apart from welfare claimants.
And he doesn't even own productive assets.
Besides I was more referring to the debt fueled speculation and its effect on living costs.