Can they really beat a Porsche Turbo?
19 June 2014, 06:17 PM
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Yes but what if you 'mildly tweak' the Porsche? I was at a tuning day a few weeks ago where all manner of expensive machinery was present (SLSs, GTRs, Ferrari California, Gallardo, R8, C63 Black series, EVOs etc. etc.) and by far the fastest accelerating car there was a Porsche 911 Turbo that had been 'breathed on' by a tuning house in Germany.
In fact it is probably the fastest accelerating road car I have ever seen. It also has a Porsche badge on it which means it has true racing pedigree and a shed load of kudos to boot.
Anyway comparing modified Scoobs to proper performance supercars is just silly. As Maz said the Porsche will do it all day long with no worries and has full manufacturer backup into the bargain. Not taking anything away from Scoobs, but let's not compare fillet steak with burgers
In fact it is probably the fastest accelerating road car I have ever seen. It also has a Porsche badge on it which means it has true racing pedigree and a shed load of kudos to boot.
Anyway comparing modified Scoobs to proper performance supercars is just silly. As Maz said the Porsche will do it all day long with no worries and has full manufacturer backup into the bargain. Not taking anything away from Scoobs, but let's not compare fillet steak with burgers
19 June 2014, 06:30 PM
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Yes but what if you 'mildly tweak' the Porsche? I was at a tuning day a few weeks ago where all manner of expensive machinery was present (SLSs, GTRs, Ferrari California, Gallardo, R8, C63 Black series, EVOs etc. etc.) and by far the fastest accelerating car there was a Porsche 911 Turbo that had been 'breathed on' by a tuning house in Germany.
In fact it is probably the fastest accelerating road car I have ever seen. It also has a Porsche badge on it which means it has true racing pedigree and a shed load of kudos to boot.
Anyway comparing modified Scoobs to proper performance supercars is just silly. As Maz said the Porsche will do it all day long with no worries and has full manufacturer backup into the bargain. Not taking anything away from Scoobs, but let's not compare fillet steak with burgers
In fact it is probably the fastest accelerating road car I have ever seen. It also has a Porsche badge on it which means it has true racing pedigree and a shed load of kudos to boot.
Anyway comparing modified Scoobs to proper performance supercars is just silly. As Maz said the Porsche will do it all day long with no worries and has full manufacturer backup into the bargain. Not taking anything away from Scoobs, but let's not compare fillet steak with burgers
19 June 2014, 06:45 PM
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Why? I love Imprezas (well until recent models). I've owned five over a 17 year period which is more than any other marque or model so I must do.
However, I am not blinkered as to their shortcomings as well as their good points. Bang for your buck there was not much to beat them for many years and modded and 'tricked up' they can and do surprise many a Porsche and the likes, but at the end of the day they are a Japanese family saloon modified to perform whereas a Porsche is a car designed to perform.
The difference is that out of the box the Porsche will continually attain a level of all round performance that an out of the box Impreza will not. Sure you can mod the Impreza, but it will always be a compromise in other areas in comparison to the Porsche. That is why Porsches cost considerably more than Imprezas.
None of that however detracts from what the Impreza is and that is a damn good car for the money. I loved owning mine and would and probably will have another, but I will never be naive enough to think it is really a better performance car than a Porsche or a Ferrari or any of the other proper supercars!
However, I am not blinkered as to their shortcomings as well as their good points. Bang for your buck there was not much to beat them for many years and modded and 'tricked up' they can and do surprise many a Porsche and the likes, but at the end of the day they are a Japanese family saloon modified to perform whereas a Porsche is a car designed to perform.
The difference is that out of the box the Porsche will continually attain a level of all round performance that an out of the box Impreza will not. Sure you can mod the Impreza, but it will always be a compromise in other areas in comparison to the Porsche. That is why Porsches cost considerably more than Imprezas.
None of that however detracts from what the Impreza is and that is a damn good car for the money. I loved owning mine and would and probably will have another, but I will never be naive enough to think it is really a better performance car than a Porsche or a Ferrari or any of the other proper supercars!
19 June 2014, 06:47 PM
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The other thing with the Porker is it will do that all day long with consistency and reliability. Granted it's very expensive to buy and hardly comparable to a Scooby in terms of vfm but you've got to admire the engineering.
http://www.carscoops.com/2014/03/how...aunch.html?m=1
http://www.carscoops.com/2014/03/how...aunch.html?m=1
19 June 2014, 07:23 PM
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yeah, but try and launch a GT-R without cracking the transmission casings.
at a point they had their launch controls disabled at all on the ECU, and if you would somehow manage to use launch control, it would void the warranty on the car... and will leave you with 15-18 grand repair costs...
http://www.leftlanenews.com/launch-c...r-sort-of.html
putting it up to 800 to 1000hp will cost you another 30 grand on top of it...
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...s-garage-video
at a point they had their launch controls disabled at all on the ECU, and if you would somehow manage to use launch control, it would void the warranty on the car... and will leave you with 15-18 grand repair costs...
http://www.leftlanenews.com/launch-c...r-sort-of.html
putting it up to 800 to 1000hp will cost you another 30 grand on top of it...
20 June 2014, 01:06 AM
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Spot on.We've even got a Subaru owner (2 in fact) in our neck of the woods that actually DAWDLES along.
The only Subaru(s) I've ever had to overtake (well pass actually).
Reactions too slow to go left...right in the same minute, let alone second or 2.
Definitely not wanabees - but not sure if they are never-wases, never-willbees or hasbeens.
What's the point in having a car every boy racer wants to take on and not being able to put them in their place.
Cue Gonzo and his story about an ineffectual Merc AMG driver/owner...............
20 June 2014, 01:30 AM
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Spot on.We've even got a Subaru owner (2 in fact) in our neck of the woods that actually DAWDLES along.
The only Subaru(s) I've ever had to overtake (well pass actually).
Reactions too slow to go left...right in the same minute, let alone second or 2.
Definitely not wanabees - but not sure if they are never-wases, never-willbees or hasbeens.
What's the point in having a car every boy racer wants to take on and not being able to put them in their place.
Cue Gonzo and his story about an ineffectual Merc AMG driver/owner...............
Subaru's represent my childish side as well, bit of a guilty pleasure 
.At least we look like a different type of ****.
20 June 2014, 09:23 AM
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Mod for mod porker wins, £ for £ if your just about performance scoob wins, but if you want a seriously rapid car that will do it all day everyday without breaking and comfort then porker wins.
20 June 2014, 09:32 AM
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). As I said I may well have another as a daily runner as I do miss mine. Will be just a lowly and old WRX though as I would have to spend a fortune on a Scoob to get it to come anywhere close to the all round performance of the AMG.... for what I want from a car these days anyway.
20 June 2014, 11:59 AM
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Different cars, the Porsches build quality is a different class.
I had a choice of building a 500bhp+ classic or buying a 996 Turbo and opted for the latter as it's built to do the power out of the box and reliably.
Most things can be made to go fast with the right amount of money thrown at them, but most of them spend their lives with the bonnet up (aka grenade brigade).
In terms of performance, my old Impreza ran 3.7s 0-60mph and the Porsche does that without a brutal launch. They are the same up to around 100mph when the Porsche comes into a world of it's own and is only around halfway to what it can manage top speed.
My Porsche 996 Turbo(500bhp): 12.0secs @ 123mph 1/4mile (soft launch, full road weight)
My Impreza Classic (340bhp): 11.7secs @ 119mph 1/4mile (hard launch, soft tyres, lower than road weight)
I drag raced my Impreza very frequently and had everything nailed to a T (tyre pressures, suspension, launch etc). Judging by the logs, with the right launch the 996 Turbo would make 11.5s.
In any case, completely different cars, the Porsche at 500bhp just gets driven and doesn't need any breakdown cover, the Impreza at 340bhp was pushing it and ate a couple engines and gearbox.
I had a choice of building a 500bhp+ classic or buying a 996 Turbo and opted for the latter as it's built to do the power out of the box and reliably.
Most things can be made to go fast with the right amount of money thrown at them, but most of them spend their lives with the bonnet up (aka grenade brigade).
In terms of performance, my old Impreza ran 3.7s 0-60mph and the Porsche does that without a brutal launch. They are the same up to around 100mph when the Porsche comes into a world of it's own and is only around halfway to what it can manage top speed.
My Porsche 996 Turbo(500bhp): 12.0secs @ 123mph 1/4mile (soft launch, full road weight)
My Impreza Classic (340bhp): 11.7secs @ 119mph 1/4mile (hard launch, soft tyres, lower than road weight)
I drag raced my Impreza very frequently and had everything nailed to a T (tyre pressures, suspension, launch etc). Judging by the logs, with the right launch the 996 Turbo would make 11.5s.
In any case, completely different cars, the Porsche at 500bhp just gets driven and doesn't need any breakdown cover, the Impreza at 340bhp was pushing it and ate a couple engines and gearbox.
20 June 2014, 12:08 PM
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The original question was can a Subaru beat a Porsche turbo. IMO by just giving a Porsche a hard time you have won. The very fact that we can even have this discussion is in it self a victory for the Subaru.
A £30k car with a few thousand thrown at it against a £140k car, I dont care who passes the line first I already know who I think has won. Money no object I would take the Porsche hands down but supercars are terrible for reliability, maybe not so much the Porsche but even they set on fire from time to time.
I once saw a f430 and a DB9 racing on the m60 near the Trafford Centre. The DB9 broke down on the motorway and had to pull on to the hard shoulder and I passed the f430 a few miles up near the Trafford Centre in a dodgy place with the driver not looking very pleased while pacing round the car.
A £30k car with a few thousand thrown at it against a £140k car, I dont care who passes the line first I already know who I think has won. Money no object I would take the Porsche hands down but supercars are terrible for reliability, maybe not so much the Porsche but even they set on fire from time to time.
I once saw a f430 and a DB9 racing on the m60 near the Trafford Centre. The DB9 broke down on the motorway and had to pull on to the hard shoulder and I passed the f430 a few miles up near the Trafford Centre in a dodgy place with the driver not looking very pleased while pacing round the car.
20 June 2014, 12:53 PM
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The original question was can a Subaru beat a Porsche turbo. IMO by just giving a Porsche a hard time you have won. The very fact that we can even have this discussion is in it self a victory for the Subaru.
A £30k car with a few thousand thrown at it against a £140k car, I dont care who passes the line first I already know who I think has won. Money no object I would take the Porsche hands down but supercars are terrible for reliability, maybe not so much the Porsche but even they set on fire from time to time.
I once saw a f430 and a DB9 racing on the m60 near the Trafford Centre. The DB9 broke down on the motorway and had to pull on to the hard shoulder and I passed the f430 a few miles up near the Trafford Centre in a dodgy place with the driver not looking very pleased while pacing round the car.
A £30k car with a few thousand thrown at it against a £140k car, I dont care who passes the line first I already know who I think has won. Money no object I would take the Porsche hands down but supercars are terrible for reliability, maybe not so much the Porsche but even they set on fire from time to time.
I once saw a f430 and a DB9 racing on the m60 near the Trafford Centre. The DB9 broke down on the motorway and had to pull on to the hard shoulder and I passed the f430 a few miles up near the Trafford Centre in a dodgy place with the driver not looking very pleased while pacing round the car.
This thread if getting dafter by the minute!
20 June 2014, 01:07 PM
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A related question:
If you won the lottery would it be 'bye-bye scooby' regardless of how much you love it ?
And one other point:
Add up the cost of all the cars you've ever owned - does it come to anywhere near £140K, even including repairs etc ?
I'd be surprised if that Porsche (or any car) lasted 30,40 or more years (and imagine the servicing and repairs bills those years ahead).
If you won the lottery would it be 'bye-bye scooby' regardless of how much you love it ?
And one other point:
Add up the cost of all the cars you've ever owned - does it come to anywhere near £140K, even including repairs etc ?
I'd be surprised if that Porsche (or any car) lasted 30,40 or more years (and imagine the servicing and repairs bills those years ahead).
20 June 2014, 04:29 PM
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Lol this thread is funny.
Now be very honest in someone knocked on your door and said which car do you want for free an all singing all dancing Impreza or an all singing all dancing Porsche? Only a complete and utter tool (or a pucka rally driver) will choose an Impreza.
The Porsche might cost x amount of times more however it is a different class of car. It oozes quality and luxury whilst the Impreza does not. Yes the Nissan GTR is probably faster in all aspects but a Porsche is a Porsche. Just soo much better and the best thing about them is that they are very unlikely to be in the hands of total retards.
Now be very honest in someone knocked on your door and said which car do you want for free an all singing all dancing Impreza or an all singing all dancing Porsche? Only a complete and utter tool (or a pucka rally driver) will choose an Impreza.
The Porsche might cost x amount of times more however it is a different class of car. It oozes quality and luxury whilst the Impreza does not. Yes the Nissan GTR is probably faster in all aspects but a Porsche is a Porsche. Just soo much better and the best thing about them is that they are very unlikely to be in the hands of total retards.
20 June 2014, 05:38 PM
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I think this about sums it up. A (considerably richer) mate with a 997 Turbo went for a spin (with me driving I might add since he wouldn't let me have a go in his lol) in my old 470bhp Hawk and emerged saying "it's a quick as mine"
"Are you gonna swap" I asked.
"Nope, but if I wanted this performance at a third of the price, yours is a no-brainer"
The difference is that mine needed 10k spent on it (or a third of the price of the car when new) to make it reliable at that level. His did it out of the box!
There is more to a car than performance alone: one might argue you pay a heavy premium for the Porsche badge, but it's the component and engineering quality it represents that you're really paying for and when you're talking that level of performance, component and engineering quality is everything!
"Are you gonna swap" I asked.
"Nope, but if I wanted this performance at a third of the price, yours is a no-brainer"
The difference is that mine needed 10k spent on it (or a third of the price of the car when new) to make it reliable at that level. His did it out of the box!
There is more to a car than performance alone: one might argue you pay a heavy premium for the Porsche badge, but it's the component and engineering quality it represents that you're really paying for and when you're talking that level of performance, component and engineering quality is everything!
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20 June 2014, 09:35 PM
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Lol this thread is funny.
Now be very honest in someone knocked on your door and said which car do you want for free an all singing all dancing Impreza or an all singing all dancing Porsche? Only a complete and utter tool (or a pucka rally driver) will choose an Impreza.
The Porsche might cost x amount of times more however it is a different class of car. It oozes quality and luxury whilst the Impreza does not. Yes the Nissan GTR is probably faster in all aspects but a Porsche is a Porsche. Just soo much better and the best thing about them is that they are very unlikely to be in the hands of total retards.
Now be very honest in someone knocked on your door and said which car do you want for free an all singing all dancing Impreza or an all singing all dancing Porsche? Only a complete and utter tool (or a pucka rally driver) will choose an Impreza.
The Porsche might cost x amount of times more however it is a different class of car. It oozes quality and luxury whilst the Impreza does not. Yes the Nissan GTR is probably faster in all aspects but a Porsche is a Porsche. Just soo much better and the best thing about them is that they are very unlikely to be in the hands of total retards.
Love the comment about the attraction of scoobies to a different 'clientele' tho' !
20 June 2014, 09:44 PM
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I think this about sums it up. A (considerably richer) mate with a 997 Turbo went for a spin (with me driving I might add since he wouldn't let me have a go in his lol) in my old 470bhp Hawk and emerged saying "it's a quick as mine"
"Are you gonna swap" I asked.
"Nope, but if I wanted this performance at a third of the price, yours is a no-brainer"
The difference is that mine needed 10k spent on it (or a third of the price of the car when new) to make it reliable at that level. His did it out of the box!
There is more to a car than performance alone: one might argue you pay a heavy premium for the Porsche badge, but it's the component and engineering quality it represents that you're really paying for and when you're talking that level of performance, component and engineering quality is everything!
"Are you gonna swap" I asked.
"Nope, but if I wanted this performance at a third of the price, yours is a no-brainer"
The difference is that mine needed 10k spent on it (or a third of the price of the car when new) to make it reliable at that level. His did it out of the box!
There is more to a car than performance alone: one might argue you pay a heavy premium for the Porsche badge, but it's the component and engineering quality it represents that you're really paying for and when you're talking that level of performance, component and engineering quality is everything!
and were you happy with it?
20 June 2014, 09:51 PM
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