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Old 02 July 2014, 07:55 AM
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For me the biggest problem I have with both sides of the argument is how can anyone fight for in or out when we the public don't have all the information We only ever get headline grabbing sound bites from either side, any decision made on this basis is in effect flawed, so both sides of the argument are wrong.
Old 02 July 2014, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
For me the biggest problem I have with both sides of the argument is how can anyone fight for in or out when we the public don't have all the information We only ever get headline grabbing sound bites from either side, any decision made on this basis is in effect flawed, so both sides of the argument are wrong.
Have you asked your self why there's a lack of information, IMO they don't want us to know, probably because it will prompt us to vote out.

If we were out and they wanted us in then we would be inundated with information about being in.They have what they want at the moment and they don't want us to get informed in case we mess things up.
Old 02 July 2014, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
For me the biggest problem I have with both sides of the argument is how can anyone fight for in or out when we the public don't have all the information We only ever get headline grabbing sound bites from either side, any decision made on this basis is in effect flawed, so both sides of the argument are wrong.
Yep that's the way it works at present.

It's either all terrible, or all great. The truth is almost certainly somewhere inbetween
Old 02 July 2014, 01:18 PM
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Applies to pretty much any political vote though, Scottish Independence, the European Elections, General Elections, etc.

If you're expecting the information handed to you on a plate, or neatly collated in a broadsheet, then don't expect to ever get it. As with all things, you have to do the research yourself if you are not happy with the information you've received so far.

And this is why democracy doesn't work.
Old 02 July 2014, 02:22 PM
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A great read on the failures of the EU

http://www.eureferendum.com/document...tdeception.pdf
Old 02 July 2014, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
A great read on the failures of the EU

http://www.eureferendum.com/document...tdeception.pdf
Looks like a nicely balanced piece
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