Interesting read,

Said mapper has done a few for me including our demo car and not had any issues other than one classic which had some issues and he returned and put it right but we had changed plugs and coil packs which didn't help as 3 of them were cracked.

I didn't realise others have had issues as well. Ive only heard good things until now.

 

Having had personal experience with above I will only use Martyn Jefferies for my mapping. Also do believe there was a thread on 22b about the above last year.

 

pardon my stupid question, however:

how can one person produce so many different results at the same time? is he constantly high or does he need to be high when doing it?

surely there are standard things to do on a car prior to mapping it, like said MAF scaling, resistor plugs, etc, etc. even if he has mapped so many cars, how can one forget something that needs to be done on "almost" any car?

even the above mentioned wastegate duty cycles should be one of the main things to look at during mapping.

if there are any issues, a more or less experienced technician should be able to see in the logs what is happening and compensate for that?

how long does it take to do said job? unless he does it like a conveyor belt and the main idea is to pocket the money, he could at least set up a checklist and go by that, if he is so dis-organized...

 

Cant please all the people all of the time,in any forms of business,and I know its bad if you are the one with the grievance,but hopefully Duncan will come on and put his point across.

 

And yet in your post directly before this you talk about your friends experience??? What is that if not hearsay?

All your comments are doing are successfully fuelling propaganda with no personal experience of your own or guaranteed facts to base any comments on. As I have said before, you don't have the full facts or info from both sides as these were not your issues, so should not be making assumptions and trying to destroy someone's reputation just for the fun of it!

I have no doubt there have been issues at some point, much as all engine builders or mappers will have had. It's how they deal with the issues and support the customers that count in the long run.

 

This is part of the problem, someone posts they've had a problem/issue and all the fanboys(sorry for the use of that word, I don't really like it) come on and say the same stuff like has been said in this thread.

"My cars been great since its been mapped/Never had a problem with getting issues rectified/etc, etc, etc"

Yeah the majority will think the car is running mint until they stick a wideband on it and find out it's leaner than a lean thing, on the rollers makes nowhere near the power it should, find out it's detting it's **** off, etc.

The educated/intuitive minority will know that it runs like a bag of shit, when the mapping has been **** poor.

Moley and BrownPantsRacing's comment about hearsay are fair enough, when it's a case of, "My mate from work, brothers uncles friend had issue XYZ". It's a different story when it's one of your good friends, had told and shown you how stuff has been fcuked up and you relay that information.

Personally, I don't like Duncan. In my experience, he's got a bit of an ego/attitude problem. I've no axe to grind, I can just have nothing to do with him.

Problem is, as is seen in the OP's posts, he becomes uncommuncative with people when he's required to put his errors right or if he does reply then has the audacity to charge them for it.

The sooner charlatans/chancers like that are shown for what they are, and can no longer prey on Subaru owners for an easy payday, the better.

 

Would you let an IT guy map your car?

Oh, you already did.

 

Taxi for Duncan ......lol

 

Isn't Simon's background IT too? Sure I read that somewhere?

And to your question, yes. Most mappers are computer literate closest IT geeks I should imagine!

 

There's only one way to settle this!!!

 

I will map your cars with my garmin software made by navteq (best around)


.........never get lost again.

 

Have you actually met him? He uses a wideband and DET cans.

 

So, after all of this is anyone actually the wiser???????????????????????

 

I'm def older

 

nope same old story. someone has a moan, doesnt want to name the person in question but somehow we find out who it is. then said mappers fans jump to his defence and people come out of the woodwork saying they have had problems as well. someone advises that the dirty linen should be aired in private, someone else says its not fair trying to ruin someones reputation on hearsay. the op then abandons the post as he has made his point and got it off his chest leaving a few people to argue the toss for a bit then everything goes back to normal and we forget all about this post and go phone our mappers to book in for our next map tweak.

 

Hey Guys

Well, im shocked to find out im not alone in receiving a poor map from Duncan, the amount of PM`s ive received is certainly an eye opener, I never started this thread to get it rectified as I rectified it myself, Ignoring me worked for Duncan I guess as It resulted in me fixing the car myself, which is a shame. I would like a full refund as I paid £350 in total for nothing whatsoever but I know that wont happen, I purely started this thread to put It out there not all Mapped cars get the results they should from professionals.

I am no means an expert and the good mappers out there can put me to shame anyday, but as I said at the start, ive got the car running perfectly and I stress again am an amateur.

The thread is here to make of what you will, im sure Duncan will be along and argue this and that and that's fine, I expect it, its only natural, we both know the truth tho so I can sleep well at night.

Im glad I started the thread, to many unhappy customers scared to put a negative experience out there, as I say, this has been my negative experience, some may have a perfect experience with Duncan, I hope they do and wish him well, but that old saying, if you want something doing.................

 

You have to take the good with the bad, he's probably made money from this site and maybe now he may loose some money. Not sure whats right or wrong but I suppose thats how it goes sometimes.

 

Exactly, I can only look to the positive, if he hadn't of done such a poor job I wouldn't of learnt about Mapping and I wouldn't have an awesome Impreza as I do now . Im proud of myself

And Karma always wins

 

What a bunch of kids, well done the DIY man for finding fault with the pro. Every time I'm sitting on the bog having a crap I see the wonky tile on the khasey wall and think "what a **** that tiler was" if I'd taken a year to tile the bathroom I could have done a better job.

Duncan mapped my car and it hasn't missed a beat. makes good power for the spec and gets used as it should.
Then again it's not a clapped out over stressed motor, it's been rebuilt to the highest possible standard and Duncan came recommended by one of the best builders in the country, nah scratch that IMO the best builder in the country.
I found Duncan to be knowledgable, polite and professional. I have none of the issues or potential issues mentioned in this thread. Is this because he had a solid engine to work on in the first place?
I will be booking Duncan again to tweak the map following recent mods. No I'm not related, I don't get a discount. I'm prepared to pay fair prices for a quality service.

 

anyone who map's a car using a known to be working wideband lamba, then refit's the customers unknown narrowband without testing it, and sends him on his way want's and need's fvcking with said wideband. cost a friend a new lump for his p1 and a long lorry ride back home, all he got was a sorry chap not my problem

 

He never had to change anything on my car as I made sure it was in good order before the mapping session.
And in you mates defence If I was a mapper and someone presented me a car with faults I'd tell you to stop being silly old chap, run along and get them fixed before we make changes. Then charge them for wasting my time.

 

All of this is why I have left my Blob Wagon as it is. I went through all this sort of bollax with my Type R, £10k later it sits in my garage in bits because of clue less bandits purporting to be professionals, wish i'd never let them anywhere near it from the off.

Live and learn and i'm sure karma will hump them good one day.

I don't have any experience of Duncan beyond a couple of PM's so can't comment.

ScoobyClinic and Pat H have bent over backwards to help me out and did solve my problems briefly but you can't polish a turd.

Kev, Pat, the lads and mi old mucca Adam get a big thumbs up from me.

 

So you are saying that all the customers that have had problems with him are because their motors were old and tired and nothing to do with the mapping itself ???

 

Very well summed up imo.

 

One final thought (from me anyway) - the mapper at the centre of this thread hasn't touched my car, and it's running perfectly.

Should I read anything into that ?

Oh , but then again Bob Rawle and a few of the others mentioned haven't either.

But then. one of them has.

 

pmsl, some of the responses in this thread are epic lol

 

These threads are sadly totally pointless.
It is understandable, natural and in all our interests to talk about ANYTHING related to Scoob ownership (whether that be DIY advice, specialists, or parts).

However it is also natural for people to say:
"I like brand X", and someone else come along and say "I like brand Y".

I can find you complaints, grievances or plain old "nah they are sh#t" with every one of the Mappers mentioned on this thread.

Now, what would be VERY interesting (and probably put all this utter b#llo#cks to rest would be to find a RR & invite say 5 freelance mappers along to do a single car (say Blob, ie OS/Ecutek). A Mapping Shoot Out.

After each map the car could be RR'd for output and a quick independent check on the safety of the map. Its not Rocket Science really is it and would make a great magazine feature.

But......
Realistically how many would come forward????
If they didn't would a refusal mean they are scared to show the truth????

When you think about it a 'good mapper' could do very well out of the idea.

p.s. if anyone would like to further the idea i'd be game to assist and get a mag on board....if ANY mappers like the idea PM me....

 

Peak power doesn't quantify how good a mapper is so it's all b@llox anyway.
What about how a car drives?
How the throttle response is, how well it idles, cruises and all the other heap of areas in a vehicle calibration most people don't seem to give a second thought to?

Personally I'm in Essex, so I use Simon aka JGM. I work in the industry and deal with caliberators every day. Simon is an ex aeronautical engineer and in my opinion really knows his stuff. He did a fantastic job on my car and 3 years untouched it starts and drives as well as it always has.

If I were further up, I'd use Paul Blamire. Personally IMO one of the finest engine caliberators in the country, further still Pat, north of the border Andy Forrest would be doing it.

Anyone can buy a laptop & download the latest software and all of a sudden they're a mapper. But these guys know a whole heap more than they're often given credit for.

You pays your money, you take your pick. Thorough research on the subject is a must

 

Exactly Frayz, its not pure grunt that makes a car good, its driveability ! But sadly research doesn't give the correct response in this case, hopefully now it will.

And to go back to some replies, No area of the poor mapping were down to inferior parts, im assuming some haven't read my response, which is reply 35 In this topic, point Number 2 in that reply was the main Error of all my issues.

 

"Peak power doesn't quantify how good a mapper is so it's all b@llox anyway"
Who mentioned just recording peak power???
"Thorough research on the subject is a must"
My exact point.
1. Research only filters out the total t#ssers that always get it wrong.
2. Research on ANY of the better known mappers will find many happy customers plus a few unhappy with results. Therefore leaving everyone