Should Iraqi Christians be offered asylum in the UK?
08 August 2014, 02:11 PM
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08 August 2014, 02:15 PM
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Here comes the cavalry:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28709530
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28701642
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28709530
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28701642
08 August 2014, 03:17 PM
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08 August 2014, 06:27 PM
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08 August 2014, 07:32 PM
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I distance myself from any religious zealot who uses religion to justify oppression and tyranny. If Hamas fall under that umbrella then they are the same as IS. That said religious zealots of any denomination are different cheeks of the same **** -in my opinion.
08 August 2014, 07:40 PM
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It's ok to quote figures for asylum applications, but when you get off the ferry at Calais. None of the people camped by the side of the motorway, looking for a way to get into Britain are likely to fill out the application. Look at the size of the other countries as well. I doubt very much so many illegals are heading here just for Fish 'N' Chips in Dover. I'm not saying we should close the borders completely, but things need to be a little fairer on the British Taxpayer.
08 August 2014, 08:18 PM
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So, whilst I hear what you say about varying religious stripes, I'm afraid there's one which is deeply and devastatingly over represented as an instigator in our broken world. When it comes to zealotry, political Islam has an immovable monopoly.
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08 August 2014, 08:35 PM
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Fair enough. Have you noticed though how there's a common denominator? Islamists versus Buddhists in the western Myanmar port-city of Sittwe; the Indian Mujahideen in the sub-continent; the Taliban taking on the state and Shia and Christians in Pakistan and Afghanistan; Hamas being unwilling to extend a ceasefire against the Jews in Gaza; IS beheading and crucifying their way across Syria and Iraq; the Muslim Brotherhood hijacking the revolution in Egypt; atheists and apostates and homosexuals and women persecuted by bearded men across the planet; two hundred Christian girls being kidnapped by Boko Haram; militants in Libya intent on stealing the post-Gadaffi hope and filling the vacuum with their sadistic and intolerant ideology. From nightclubs in Bali, tube stations in London and skyscrapers in lower Manhattan the list goes on and on and on!
So, whilst I hear what you say about varying religious stripes, I'm afraid there's one which is deeply and devastatingly over represented as an instigator in our broken world. When comes to zealotry political Islam has an immovable monopoly.
So, whilst I hear what you say about varying religious stripes, I'm afraid there's one which is deeply and devastatingly over represented as an instigator in our broken world. When comes to zealotry political Islam has an immovable monopoly.
Why do they garner special dispensation from you? State sanctioned ethnic cleansing, land grabbing and oppression.
08 August 2014, 09:54 PM
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In your opinion James. All your cited examples are rogue groups rightly vilified by any sane person. However you seem to overlook the indiscretions of the biggest religious nut jobs on the planet, the Israelis.
Why do they garner special dispensation from you? State sanctioned ethnic cleansing, land grabbing and oppression.
Why do they garner special dispensation from you? State sanctioned ethnic cleansing, land grabbing and oppression.
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10 August 2014, 02:05 PM
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Ok if you're going to bring me into it (you immature little turd) then please substantiate each and every one of the wild claims you're making here.
To help you out here are a few facts...
As you will see from below we are ranked 5th, YES FIFTH in the EU in terms of the number of asylum applications recieved (behind Belgium)
As you can see the don't 'all' (ludicrous claim) want to come here.
You are the living embodyment of all that's is wrong and cynical in this country. You couldn't care less about the facts, you have a narrow world view that cannot be challenged. Either that or you're just plain thick.
I now expect your usual bluster and childish response in order to avoid facing the facts
To help you out here are a few facts...
As you will see from below we are ranked 5th, YES FIFTH in the EU in terms of the number of asylum applications recieved (behind Belgium)
As you can see the don't 'all' (ludicrous claim) want to come here.
You are the living embodyment of all that's is wrong and cynical in this country. You couldn't care less about the facts, you have a narrow world view that cannot be challenged. Either that or you're just plain thick.
I now expect your usual bluster and childish response in order to avoid facing the facts
You have finally come out then?
11 August 2014, 10:56 AM
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Isn't it illegal immigration that causes the problem not those claiming asylum?
But shouldn't the first thing to be to work with other countries to alleviate the issues (whatever they be) so that all can live a peaceful life in their OWN countries?
But shouldn't the first thing to be to work with other countries to alleviate the issues (whatever they be) so that all can live a peaceful life in their OWN countries?
11 August 2014, 11:30 AM
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I'm sure there are publish stats somewhere, I'm not finding them though, that wasn't the point of the graph. The point was to nail the lie that 'they all want to come here' - clearly 91.5% do not
11 August 2014, 12:05 PM
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The west has tried that with its policy of liberal intervention and nation building and all that appears to have happened is that a vacuum has been created within which Islamo-fascism flourishes. An old Royal Marine friend of mine who served in the first Gulf War used to say that the choice in parts of North Africa, the Middle East and South Asia is between secular dictatorship and Islamism and that the former was the lesser of two evils. I always did and always have argued that this was degrading to the people living in those regions and that given the right conditions, they too could enjoy the liberty associated with liberal democracy. The events of the past few years, however, have started to rock my firmly held beliefs and I'm beginning to accept the perspective of my mate. It saddens me to say it, and I'm on the cusp of a u-turn here, but it would appear that minority groups were safer under the likes of Saddam and Assad and Gaddafi than they are under totalitarian Sharia.
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12 August 2014, 10:58 AM
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12 August 2014, 12:29 PM
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The west has tried that with its policy of liberal intervention and nation building and all that appears to have happened is that a vacuum has been created within which Islamo-fascism flourishes. An old Royal Marine friend of mine who served in the first Gulf War used to say that the choice in parts of North Africa, the Middle East and South Asia is between secular dictatorship and Islamism and that the former was the lesser of two evils. I always did and always have argued that this was degrading to the people living in those regions and that given the right conditions, they too could enjoy the liberty associated with liberal democracy. The events of the past few years, however, have started to rock my firmly held beliefs and I'm beginning to accept the perspective of my mate. It saddens me to say it, and I'm on the cusp of a u-turn here, but it would appear that minority groups were safer under the likes of Saddam and Assad and Gaddafi than they are under totalitarian Sharia.
12 August 2014, 10:49 PM
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Here comes the cavalry:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28709530
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28701642
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28709530
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28701642
Indeed, someone has to safeguard those kurdish oilfields
13 August 2014, 09:25 AM
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In your opinion James. All your cited examples are rogue groups rightly vilified by any sane person. However you seem to overlook the indiscretions of the biggest religious nut jobs on the planet, the Israelis.
Why do they garner special dispensation from you? State sanctioned ethnic cleansing, land grabbing and oppression.
Why do they garner special dispensation from you? State sanctioned ethnic cleansing, land grabbing and oppression.
13 August 2014, 04:05 PM
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In your opinion James. All your cited examples are rogue groups rightly vilified by any sane person. However you seem to overlook the indiscretions of the biggest religious nut jobs on the planet, the Israelis.
Why do they garner special dispensation from you? State sanctioned ethnic cleansing, land grabbing and oppression.
Why do they garner special dispensation from you? State sanctioned ethnic cleansing, land grabbing and oppression.
The Israelis are another breed entirely. Apparently you're not considered terrorist scum until the good old US of A stops supporting you. So the Israelis are safe for the foreseeable future.
I have two Jordanian friends. They find even the uk media coverage laughable in its bias. Fair to say what is happening in Gaza is even worse than we un the UK are led to believe.
I'm shocked that James, as a "christian" can support the Israelis. In fact, I call James' true committment to his chosen religon into question, as a "true" Christian would show compassion and forgiveness to all, not just non muslims.