stipete75

"Just get a friendly breed and train it properly"

"A German sheppards is at least half intelligent unlike these other dangerous dog breeds"
Sigh......I give up!!

LSherratt

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That is an extremely good question! As a Firearms Holder I have to be ever so careful or I risk losing my guns and/or have my License taken away and that's me with my legal right to own them. If anything, an illegal dog owned by those sort of idiots is A LOT more dangerous than sensible owners like me with Firearms. Even if I was ever accidentally to breech a term and I was reported, that would be it, the Police would be round here ASAP and my Firearms would be taken away. Why is it different for these illegal dog owners? Absolutely ridiculous .

angel1368

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love german shepherds
heres mine at 8 weeks


and now at 6 months....never leaves my side

Carnut

As a previous owner of Rottweilers I cannot believe that they, along with some other big breeds are being discussed alongside a dog genetically selected for it's aggression and subsequently banned.

Matteeboy

Yes Rottweilers are usually great dogs but ONLY if properly trained.

From a US breed guide;


Because of the current prejudice against dogs such as Rottweilers and claims that they can be dangerous, you may have to carry extra liability insurance to own one, depending upon the ordinances in your town. In some areas, you may not even be able to own a Rottweiler, or may be forced to give up any that you have.

So others are nervous of them too; they are also an incredibly powerful dog. If one goes for you, you're in serious trouble.

neil-h

That's a bit cold/heartless isn't it? Talking about killing a dog like it's an inanimate object.

jasey

My sister's rottie is a dopey old ****.

If it wants to lick you - you are in serious trouble .

urban

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I don't understand the need to have the 'status' dogs, because that what they seem to be, a show of strength if you like.

hodgy0_2

what is the usual procedure with dogs that are in the "dangerous dog breed" category

Devildog

Rotties certainly benefit from being well trained but they are not genetically "aggressive" What they are is dominant. And in my experience highly intelligent.

Matt, if you are going to quote "evidence" in support of your own prejuduce, at least have the intelligence to quote something with more substance than conjecture.

And for the record, you comment about Great Danes beig soft as mice? You really need to start getting your facts right.

"Great Danes can be shockingly aggressive. Modern breeders have worked hard to eliminate the centuries of breeding for the aggression necessary to hunt such prey as wild boar. While they’ve met with great success, poorly bred Danes can display dangerous throwback temperament traits. Not every Dane is Scooby Doo friendly. Never approach a Great Dane on the assumption of friendliness, especially if the Dane is accompanied by the children in his family, as the drive to protect the youngsters of the pack from perceived danger isn’t something that is so easily bred out"

ditchmyster

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Good comeback evil dog owner.

I think what most people seem to forget about all dogs is that they are domesticated Wolves along with other wild canine species such as Dingos. Poorly trained or ill treated ones can show aggression, my own experience is that even very well trained and treated dogs can turn on members of the family and others through dominance or perceived threat.

My Cane Corso is a big lad and weighs in at around 60kg, fortunately he has a great temperament and as a breed they are very loyal and protective which is also part of the reason I got one, but one has to bare in mind historically Cane Corso's were bred to protect livestock and people from bears, wolves,wild boar and bandits, TBH I wouldn't want to tangle with Wolves or Bears unless I was a long way away with a mahooosive Rifle. they were also used for hunting them as well, so not your average lap dog, same as my Parsons Jack Russell was bred to be able to hold it's own in with a pack of hounds run all day and then take on a wild animal twice it's weight that's Fighting for it's life ALONE.

Food for thought.

neil-h

Depends on the situation I presume. My main issue was the terminology, strikes me as rather callous saying the dog gets 'destroyed' as if it's an inanimate object. Dangerous breed or otherwise it's still a living animal and it's still being killed.

hodgy0_2

yes, I don't know either, and have never liked the "destroyed" terminology too

but I would presume they get put down

neil-h

Yeah I'd imagine that's most likely the case (certainly for those that attack people).

As for the terminology, it's never bothered me before but seeing it used in this thread with the contrast against posts from the likes of STiPete about their dogs makes it seems especially harsh.

ditchmyster

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Well I can't see too many people volunteering to re-home a dog that's known to rip peoples faces off.

CJPow

From these comments you can definitely tell the Dog owners from the not....

Any Dogs could be provoked to do damage, not just the associated breeds. I think its 90% to do with the owner although i do agree with some genes possessing this undesirable trait.

Sometimes i agree all dogs should be licenced where the owners will have a background check, this would avoid animal cruelty. All dogs should be on a lead unless being on private land and this would stop Dogs attacking other Dogs. I own 3, although soft as s**t my Staffy does not like it when other dogs sniff round her, she gets nervous. I just don’t put her in that situation. I think it’s about being the responsible owner.

All this about bull breeds etc just goes to show how the media try to control the public by shaming the breed. If someone got attacked by a Poodle, i bet it wouldnt make the press.

ditchmyster

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Poodles are seriously vicious and some of them are huge.

LSherratt

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Why does the Police Force K-9 unit use German Shepherds instead of Pitbull/Staffy type breeds for patrol work? Is it because they are better at tracking/sniffing which makes them more of a better all-rounder? Or is it simply because they are more reliable, more predictable, easier to train and less likely to go berserk on an escapee criminal?

jasey

I thinks it's because they are less likely to rip the face off a passing toddler.

ditchmyster

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Very good all-rounder, decent size, agile, smart, always want to please their owner and loyal, had 3 in the family very good dogs 2 ex police ones that didn't quite make the grade were exceptional, I had to take a garden fence up to 10 feet to stop one of them scaling it when he smelt *****.

Devildog

Not necessarily

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/21/middlesbrough-woman-dies-bitten-police-dog

ditchmyster

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Not good, perfect example of what can happen when you train a dog to attack people.

tony de wonderful

The dog does matter since some breeds descend from breeds which were bred to take down cattle and boar; they are very powerful, have stamina, and can ignore pain. Say what you like, but they make the risk higher because of the damage they can do to a person. Some breeds, even if ultra aggressive, could just not kill a person, others give a person NO chance.

tony de wonderful

No the stats for these breeds are much worse. Google it.

ditchmyster

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The stats change with popularity, it wasn't so long ago that breeds like labradors were at the top. Nice to see Jack Russells always figure near the top.

On a side note my UK vet said he's more afraid of Jack Russells than the "bull" breeds, hateful creatures were his words.

Lydia72

To be fair that is exactly why the lads on the programmes wanted them though, they admitted that, in their environment they need a show of strength. If they can't arm themselves with guns or knives then a potentially vicious dog is the next best thing.

People will never admit that they are an irresponsible dog owner, just the same as no one thinks they are a bad driver/ crap in bed, it's always someone else.

tony de wonderful

The Jack Russel won't kill you though. Feel free to normalise the stats for popularity.

Can you find any fatalities for Jack Russells?

classic Subaru Si

A recent study carried out on 6,000 dogs and their owners found out 33 of the most aggressive dogs, and also those which have good temperaments. The study involved collecting data from two different groups. The first group consisted of 11 different breeds and the second was an online survey mainly involving owners, including 33 breeds. The conclusions from both groups were similar. It looked at the different types of aggression such as towards other dogs, towards strangers and towards owners. Some of the results were surprising, below are the top ten most aggressive breed:
Dachshunds
Chihuahua
Jack Russell
Australian Cattle Dog
Cocker Spaniel
Beagle
Border Collie
Pit Bull Terrier
Great Dane
English Springer Spaniel
The Dachshund, otherwise known as the Sausage dog, was originally bred to hunt badgers. They came out as the most aggressive breed with 1 in 5 reported to have bitten or tried to bite a stranger and 1 in 12 snapping at their owners.

oilman

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Based on a chat with a policeman who was being shown different dogs as alternatives to German Shepherds several years ago, GSDs are a very good balance of size, power, intelligence, weight and speed. They had a Ridgeback at the trial and he was much faster and bigger than the GSDs, but when he caught someone, he hit too hard (he broke the arm of the demonstrator). Based on my staffy cross and my brothers ridgeback, they have a similar biting power when they have had bones or toys, so are probably too effective (due to lawsuits). Saying that, my staffy cross was the softest, daftest creature you could ever meet and my brothers ridgeback is too lazy to bother chasing someone down, so another reason they would be useless police dogs.

urban

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OK, but forgetting those lads, take bog standard Joe public.
Why must he have a 'branded' dog like one of these 'bull' dogs?