I think your just up for a argument. My post with how much I would pay for a JDM was nothing to do with what you think, but obviously you got in your mind that you dont think a JDM car is much superior to a UK car, and thats your opinion and thats fine!!!

Im not saying that the JDM hawk is loads better, two similar powered hawks(JDM v UK) there would not be that much in it in a straight line, handling there pretty much the same, and they have the same brakes, so when you look at it, should it be worth more money then a UK car??

Well the answer is yes it is worth more money then a UK car, look on the classifieds and count how many JDM STi's are for sale at any given time, so there a lot rarer then the UK car obviously!!

But you got to consider the JDM has a stronger engine(no rebuilds here), cheaper road tax, and much rarer then a UK car, plus it does not sound like every other chavy impreza with the common scooby burble, so yes I would pay a extra £2-4k over a UK car just for that, as you would be paying that extra £2-4k for a engine rebuild on a 2.5.

 

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...ileageTo=20000

 

basically only 1 other JDM subaru with a bit different spec however some nice mods on it

 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

IMO I couldn't and wouldn't compare a SPEC D (as per example) with my car specifically or a JDM Hawkeye in general. They are very different and the pricing relates to things other than what you see (reliability, tunabilty, maintenance, running costs and exclusivity etc). For what it's worth, this (my) car has probably been the cheapest performance car I have ever had to run...... for a performance car it's been rock solid. Insurance for me (all mods and power level declared) is currently £295. All of this really relates to a different discussion imo.

The reason for asking for peoples considered opinion by demographic, was to gauge some form of sensibility. Current owners maybe biased.

Another thing......
I have "thought" about chopping this car in, but with whatever money I would get back, what could I buy that gives me the same emotion, stress free and cheap performance thrills - that's the $64 million dollar question. One that I have always returned with the same answer..... nothing.

That RS4 would be boring compared to my Hawkeye and slower.

My old MY03 SPEC C @ 370bhp left those for dead around Snetterton, when I was running in competition at Tuner GP in 2006.

I'm a performance freak and because of my history with ScoobyNet, pretty much all scoobied up and probably for life.

Anyway.......

The £9k being mooted is an interesting point and, imo, a bit of a leveller in comparison to the other prices being put forward.

Personally I don't think my Hawkeye is worth £14-15k, especially when it cost me £14k 4yrs ago. Perhaps that was way too cheap - I thought it was bang on the money and priced to sell.

I think somewhere between £10-12k to sell. I reason I say this, is because this car is 9yrs old. It's not new and it's not mint - it's a drivers car that's meant to be driven!

Perhaps other non JDM owners don't want to post their view, in case they get shot down...... fill your boost ladies and gents. It's a discussion forum. I for one certainly won't get offended.

 

£10k you say??? Got a wad of cash here waiting!!

I sold my 06 UK hawk STi for £10k couple of months ago with 61k miles on the clock, The car was mint, and most the money had been spent on making it look nice, engine wise it had a exhaust, remap, fmic, filter etc.
I thought I did ok getting the money for it, but been looking at JDM hawks ever since and I would not expect to get one for the same price I sold my hawk sti for.

But then again my mate bought a JDM hawk STi with less then 40k miles on and some nice mods for £10.2k last year, so I guess there out there, but in the last 2 months ive been looking I have not seen a decent JDM hawk for less then £12k come up for sale!!!

 

but would shaun really take 12k for his car if he's selling it i think you've under priced it mate doesnt matter what you paid for it several years ago certain cars demand a premium i would say the 2.0 jdm twinscroll is one of them

so the house you bought 10 years ago say for 30k would you still let it go for 30k ????

 

Houses normally appreciate.

Cars normally depreciate.

 

True but I'd like to think you'd see your 14k back.

A good JDM Hawk won't drop much in price over the next few years. There's not enough about. The more UK Hawks that go pop the more demand there will be for them.

 

Bodski,
Admittedly, they certainly appear to hold their values in general, far better. It's always a buyers market though, and above all, it's the buyer that ultimately sets the prices.

Xline,
The mileage would be an added bonus, but not the be all and end all.

Money spent is a moot point to me. It's what the car is when sold as a package, and what the market stands at that time. I always totally write off the cost of these types of cars and any money spent on them. But that's just my personal approach.

These are enthusiasts cars, so one would expect knowledge about these specific models to be known by a specialist buyer. If not, that's a potential that any buyer would miss out on.

The RS4 is a very nice car, but it's a totally different marque and type of car. Which for me personally is quite boring. Not dissing the RS4, but an enthusiasts car it isn't to me. I'm a full on 80's Cosworth boy, so you'll probably appreciate my turbo screamer appreciation, with all the Carlos Fandango chav bits.

A motorbike is not practical for me..... been there and done that. I couldn't be arsed to keep putting all the gear on every time I used it, so decided to switch to performance 4 wheels over 15yrs ago. If I had more space in the garage I'd probably get another one just for the odd weekend blast.

I know this car inside and out, I have a lot of contacts in the trade and I know how reliable it's been. Most importantly it still makes me grin when I drive it. I know one should never say never, but I'd be hard pushed to get shot.

 

Comparing a spec D with a same MY JDM is like comparing mandarins and oranges.

 

If JDM's are worth X amount why couldn't I sell my 06 Hawkeye Spec C with 19000 miles then? I just got pissed about by idiots.

 

lets be fair how we ALL value our cars we look on PH,AT, etc etc see what dealers/traders ask for any car, we then try to sell it privately below what the dealers ask thinking we get a grand more, the new purchaser saves a grand etc etc however we all have the dreamers wasters people who dont know these cars we then end up trading in or if we are lucky get the asking price however when we part x the dealers then have the advertising (could be months) then they put a warranty on then then get the stone chips any corrections done and they also end up taking in another part x they also offer finance which is a big part in selling any car

 

Still got it?

If so PM me some details

 

Motorhub.

 

First rule of driving - keep the bl**dy thing on the road.

4.7 IS slow compared to what Shaun's must be capable of - and being a Subaru it will hold the road, not like that overpowered example you've linked to.
It's also a fair few years (and miles) older, far less practical (family-friendly etc) and as such is very much a fan's car. If you're not in the market for one, you won't be interested imo.

The RS4 won't hold (indeed hasn't held) its value as well, and my above comments re. the Vauxhall (the way back after it's left the road) clearly apply , given Shaun's comment about performance on the circuit against a JDM Hawk's ancestor.

In my earlier post I was going to give buyer scenarios but since Shaun had more or less done that I didn't bother.

You would have been in the 'looking for a performance car, not necessarily a Subaru category', that person which I suggested would have thought 'pricey and I can get one from a dealer - with all the benefits and protection - for that'.

Not being unkind at all, there are people that look and listen to ads (it's all Audi, BMW etc. because of course Subaru never went big on how good their machines are) and/or simply think 'Jap=if not crap then lesser engineering'.

Fwiw my scenarios would have had 'you' ie someone with your viewpoint (again not being unkind in any way) being prepared to pay no more than about £11K.

I think your viewpoint is very valid, perhaps even exactly the sort of thing the op was after, in order to get the fullest range of views. It's just a pity that you explicitly stated the Spec D as a better option, instead of saying that some (non-Subaru, man on the street) might think so.

Thread's good though imo.
Fwiw I don't think the op would get what I think it's worth - unless I was in the market for it of course !
And I'll be in the same boat in a year or so.

And as someone's said, we all think (and hope) the best when we price our cars.

 

just sold my uk 2.5 forged for jdm money.if i was to do it all over again it would without a shadow of a doubt be the uk forged.reason being im old and all this neck snapping talk of the jdm would literally snap my neck.torque and more torque of the 2.5 all the way for me

 

Member for 7 years and you come out with that......

Helmet.

 

I get part of what Xline is saying even though his choice of comparable vehicles is a fair bit wide of the mark, for those of us a little more in the know what he doesn't realise is that his examples actually serve to prove that Shauns car is worth a few £k more, certainly than the 80k spec d and I too wouldn't touch the RS4 with someone else's pole.

Thing is Shauns car is heading towards the top of the tree in terms of the best of Subaru offerings, although as stated by Shaun it is getting on a bit now.

As for value it's a tricky one, TBH I wouldn't buy it unless it was at a bargain price which for me would be around £8/9k reason being, it's been modded to the very top of what's considered to be the safe limit and has no doubt been driven accordingly, as such it could be subject to a catastrophic failure at any time, I'd want to make sure I had a spare few £k to fix it if that were to happen and some of the figures being quoted ie £15k are just way over the top and I wonder how many would actually get that out for this car should the opportunity arise.

I would however consider parting with £12k if it was just lightly mapped within the safe limits of the original turbo in unmarked mint condition with the same milage.

Excessive mods don't add value, they add risk.

So for me it would be the same as buying a 2.5L it would need to be bloody cheap before i'd take the leap.

 

Do a search for KTC.
The Audi RS4 you linked is a bag of ****. 14k and from Bradford. Do you really think a decent example of a B7 RS4 can be had for 14k? I'd add a few grand.

 

This looks a good example of a RS4 but your looking at close to £20k for a enthusiast owned decent RS4.
https://www.scoobynet.com/other-marq...e-2-fmdsh.html

Most the ones ive seen for £14-15k seem to be CAT D cars or ones with over 100k miles!!

 

Anyway, apologies to the op (not sure they're due because as Shaun's already said - oops, implied - this is a good thread).
I'd be happy - and ideally suited to - having a JDM Hawk as a part-ex for mine (better alternative to a Spec D, although I'd certainly consider that), not too happy about an RS4, given costs and I certainly wouldn't entertain a VX220.

 

Good point that !

Does the lack of response give you the idea that DCCD and wider track aren't of much interest and therefore shouldn't be used as a reason for paying more for a car perhaps?

 

Very true about how they save your face (and a$$).

I was still getting the feel for mine when I put the power down a tad too early (or too much) exiting a roundabout.
Slithered like a snake for about 100yds up the road but never moved out of lane.

One big bonus as I've mentioned before - very safe car.
Prevention's better than cure, and it keeps you out of some of the trouble that Swedish cars can best help with.