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Old 11 August 2014 | 05:25 PM
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Yes yes we all know the issues, no one is disputing that, but to say they all go bang, especially in the new car is frankly horsesh1t.

You still own it but don't use it anymore, yea ok tubbs

Yea well its in their interest to raise the flaws at any opportunity with any engine as it's their business and livelihood to fix them!

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You still own it but don't use it anymore, yea ok tubbs

Yea well its in their interest to raise the flaws at any opportunity with any engine as it's their business and livelihood to fix them!
so are you saying there are no issues with the 2.5 and api are making then up to get business??
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lol the master at twisting someones response.
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Originally Posted by bioforger
lol the master at twisting someones response.
simple question,the problems exist ask any engine builder.
Old 11 August 2014 | 05:34 PM
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Problem exists.... but there are many caviats to what constitutes a failure and this is mostly only in the older models anyway. Its too early to say what will happen with the new cars, only time will tell
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Originally Posted by bioforger
Problem exists.... but there are many caviats to what constitutes a failure and this is mostly only in the older models anyway. Its too early to say what will happen with the new cars, only time will tell
agreed the newer cars are unknown as of yet but the thread is about a Hawkeye and these are known to be a poor engine especially in sti form.
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I know and yet there are plenty of those which are driven hard and running just fine with 70K+ on the clock as you well know.
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I know and yet there are plenty of those which are driven hard and running just fine with 70K+ on the clock as you well know.
but plenty more that have failed way to early and its documented that the problems are poor pistons and heads lifting.
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lol how do you know more have failed than succeeded at an early stage? (which is wrong by the way, you need to check the correct stats, not some threads on some internet forums)
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Lordy, what have I started
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Originally Posted by bioforger
lol how do you know more have failed than succeeded at an early stage? (which is wrong by the way, you need to check the correct stats, not some threads on some internet forums)
how do you know they haven't,the internet and forums are full of 2.5 failed engine threads and the engine builders even know why they fail.
no such stories about the 2.0 lump.
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Lordy, what have I started
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how do you know they haven't,the internet and forums are full of 2.5 failed engine threads and the engine builders even know why they fail.
If you read this thread properly you might get an idea. Basing your own facts on forums and facebook = fail.

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no such stories about the 2.0 lump.
lol b0llocks the 2ltr can quite easily chew up it rings and consume oil, look at Wongs old engine or knock its shells out. My own old blob STi was also starting to use a bit of oil and it was only a stage 1 car.

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All I said was Jehovah
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Originally Posted by chris j t
I ask for information and you tell me of a car that you owned that yo THINK had problems then the other two was people you know or know of then you post a link further down giving evidence that says subaru had put a stop to sale's for 2 MONTHS out of 6 YEARS

WTF - are you being this daft on purpose?

I owned a 330S, I sold it, it WENT rattle rattle, there is no THINK about it

I don't know of the other two, I know both of them personally, infact I was speaking with one of them yesterday afternoon.

I know of another hatch STI in N.I that had an engine failure, however I don't know that owner, so didn't comment.


138,000 members.
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Originally Posted by bioforger
Yes yes we all know the issues, no one is disputing that, but to say they all go bang, especially in the new car is frankly horsesh1t.
Absolutely, they're all not bad.
I'm not sure I want to rely on luck though.
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Originally Posted by bioforger
If you read this thread properly you might get an idea. Basing your own facts on forums and facebook = fail.



lol b0llocks the 2ltr can quite easily chew up it rings and consume oil, look at Wongs old engine or knock its shells out. My own old blob STi was also starting to use a bit of oil and it was only a stage 1 car.
its a crap engine we both know it,Wong's was hardly standard was it and a little oil consumption is not the same as ringland and hg failure
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Rubbish it was using a litre every 100 miles or something, thats pretty bad and oil starvation can lead to ringland failure, just a case of whether you do something about it earlier rather than later. HG issue granted
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Originally Posted by bioforger
Rubbish it was using a litre every 100 miles or something, thats pretty bad and oil starvation can lead to ringland failure, just a case of whether you do something about it earlier rather than later. HG issue granted
a high mileage 9 year old ( nearly 100k )highly modified 2.0 driven with zero mechanical sympathy failing is not the same as a standard low mileage unit failing
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F1, I thought you was looking into a leggy? Spec b twinscroll should suffice
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Lordy, what have I started




A man of high standing in the community like yourself normally gets a ten pager

And that's for a warm up

When it goes quite we can add dump valves ,Armageddon ,DIY mapping and raciest views and call people names to keep it going


Subaru engines have gone down the toilet
Great untill 2008 untill some accountant interfered with the engineers specifications and ask for a discount

Add the chocolate and dodgy gasgets and thinner bolts one little japanese man said

The rest is history


Tick tock tick Boom
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F1, I thought you was looking into a leggy? Spec b twinscroll should suffice
Can't find one tbh.

Think I am going to end up in a Honda!
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Decisons decisons to replace my other two cars with




Probably a Nismo RS amd a civic type R

STi is on the list but stumbling block is the 3 year warrenty as I was hoping it would give me 6 years of trouble free motoring untill I retire


Greenwagons still going well though




Must be the 2.0 engine
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
a high mileage 9 year old ( nearly 100k )highly modified 2.0 driven with zero mechanical sympathy failing is not the same as a standard low mileage unit failing
oh just p1ss off you annoying coont
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OK, I've just spent 3 1/2 hours looking through the 2008 engine failure thread and across SN in general but mainly the sticky 2008 thread.

I am only interested in first hand experiences, ie they owned the car and no modified cars, although I have included some mildly moded cars, ie exhaust and some cars from across Europe.

The cars listed I think are standard but not 100%.

The hatch,2008 onwards including MY11 engine failures........27

The hawkeye, including the wrx, sti and rb320.........4

I also came across 2 standard blobs that had engine failures but wasn't looking.

API gave a few examples that I don't think were linked to the ones I've mentioned plus a few more that came from reputable people such as Alan Jeffrey etc, these brought the total to about mid 50's.

The vast majority of the 2008 thread is made up from only a handful of people with Littleted being the biggest, who funnily enough has had two 2.5 with no problems.

I suspect that if I had looked for just hawks then I would come across more but it's time for my afternoon nap.

No doubt someone will come back and tell me my head is up my **** or something to that effect but regardless what anyone else says I am and have been doing a lot of reading up and searching, this is not because I have one or will ever buy a standard non forged one but because iam sad and have nothing better to do.

If you double that figure to about 100 that is about 2% of about 5,000, I suspect that more than this have been sold across the uk but playing it safe at 5,000.

2% is the average number for engine failures across all marques in Europe.

There has been about 67,000 2.5's sold in Europe so saying that the UK share is 5,000 seems to be pretty fair I think.

I will say again, it is not in my interest for the 2.5 to be any good, I don't personally care about standard form, I am planning on buying a hawk sti for forged internals etc and some good power, the power I won't is also the tipping point for the 2.0 needing to be forged so 2.5 engine failures are not relevant to me.
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Originally Posted by bioforger
oh just p1ss off you annoying coont
is that the best you can do lol
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Can't find one tbh.

Think I am going to end up in a Honda!
3.0 spec b 6mt off the leggy forum
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...xperiment=true
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Originally Posted by chris j t
OK, I've just spent 3 1/2 hours looking through the 2008 engine failure thread and across SN in general but mainly the sticky 2008 thread.

I am only interested in first hand experiences, ie they owned the car and no modified cars, although I have included some mildly moded cars, ie exhaust and some cars from across Europe.

The cars listed I think are standard but not 100%.

The hatch,2008 onwards including MY11 engine failures........27

The hawkeye, including the wrx, sti and rb320.........4

I also came across 2 standard blobs that had engine failures but wasn't looking.

API gave a few examples that I don't think were linked to the ones I've mentioned plus a few more that came from reputable people such as Alan Jeffrey etc, these brought the total to about mid 50's.

The vast majority of the 2008 thread is made up from only a handful of people with Littleted being the biggest, who funnily enough has had two 2.5 with no problems.

I suspect that if I had looked for just hawks then I would come across more but it's time for my afternoon nap.

No doubt someone will come back and tell me my head is up my **** or something to that effect but regardless what anyone else says I am and have been doing a lot of reading up and searching, this is not because I have one or will ever buy a standard non forged one but because iam sad and have nothing better to do.

If you double that figure to about 100 that is about 2% of about 5,000, I suspect that more than this have been sold across the uk but playing it safe at 5,000.

2% is the average number for engine failures across all marques in Europe.

There has been about 67,000 2.5's sold in Europe so saying that the UK share is 5,000 seems to be pretty fair I think.

I will say again, it is not in my interest for the 2.5 to be any good, I don't personally care about standard form, I am planning on buying a hawk sti for forged internals etc and some good power, the power I won't is also the tipping point for the 2.0 needing to be forged so 2.5 engine failures are not relevant to me.
Ignore them mate, that Urbans engine didn't even go, he sold it because it had a rattle!

Could have been a billion and one reasons

If the 2.5 was awful there is no way they would still be using that same engine after all these years in multiple countries among multiple cars
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"...28 Subarus in 8 years..."

WTF?



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