Frank Maloney
12 August 2014, 08:19 PM
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I just think you would do well to learn to live and let live otherwise one day when someone takes exception to the way you choose to be with anything that doesn't conform to your idea of the norm and gives you a good slap you can hardly have any complaints can you?
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12 August 2014, 08:39 PM
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Shirt lifters, weight lifters and people taking a pounding in the ring
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12 August 2014, 09:11 PM
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Up until very recently I absolutely would have said "Live and let live" with regards to any kind of trans-gender/ trans-sexuality issues.
I've since read various articles that have made me look at it in a different light. If Frank is now Kellie and wants to wear a dress then good for him/ her. The thing is wearing a dress and changing your name does not make you a woman, especially if you have spent sixty years in a position of privilege as a white male.
Say Kellie wants to go swimming, it's a 'women only' session. Kellie identifies as a woman but she still has a *****. Should her rights as a trans-gendered person allow her into the swimming session? Or a female-only changing room?
If so then certain women would then be forbidden from using those spaces, should Kellie's rights trump their's?
I've since read various articles that have made me look at it in a different light. If Frank is now Kellie and wants to wear a dress then good for him/ her. The thing is wearing a dress and changing your name does not make you a woman, especially if you have spent sixty years in a position of privilege as a white male.
Say Kellie wants to go swimming, it's a 'women only' session. Kellie identifies as a woman but she still has a *****. Should her rights as a trans-gendered person allow her into the swimming session? Or a female-only changing room?
If so then certain women would then be forbidden from using those spaces, should Kellie's rights trump their's?
12 August 2014, 09:20 PM
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Up until very recently I absolutely would have said "Live and let live" with regards to any kind of trans-gender/ trans-sexuality issues.
I've since read various articles that have made me look at it in a different light. If Frank is now Kellie and wants to wear a dress then good for him/ her. The thing is wearing a dress and changing your name does not make you a woman, especially if you have spent sixty years in a position of privilege as a white male.
Say Kellie wants to go swimming, it's a 'women only' session. Kellie identifies as a woman but she still has a *****. Should her rights as a trans-gendered person allow her into the swimming session? Or a female-only changing room?
If so then certain women would then be forbidden from using those spaces, should Kellie's rights trump their's?
I've since read various articles that have made me look at it in a different light. If Frank is now Kellie and wants to wear a dress then good for him/ her. The thing is wearing a dress and changing your name does not make you a woman, especially if you have spent sixty years in a position of privilege as a white male.
Say Kellie wants to go swimming, it's a 'women only' session. Kellie identifies as a woman but she still has a *****. Should her rights as a trans-gendered person allow her into the swimming session? Or a female-only changing room?
If so then certain women would then be forbidden from using those spaces, should Kellie's rights trump their's?
But surely common sense would say that to be truly "transgender" some sort of surgery must have taken place, otherwise you are just a bloke in a wig, with a ***** tuck
12 August 2014, 09:29 PM
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There are male-to-female trans-people who, for whatever reason, have never had the full surgery, they may now have a smaller ***** but it's still a *****.
12 August 2014, 09:40 PM
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There's the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the Equality Act 2010, basically trans-people should not suffer victimisation, harassment or discrimination in the workplace and wider society.
12 August 2014, 10:32 PM
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The problem is that you can't just get the surgery on demand in this country. You have to show that you are living as a woman (or man, if you are going female-to-male) for a couple of years first, during this time hormone treatment is taken.
There are male-to-female trans-people who, for whatever reason, have never had the full surgery, they may now have a smaller ***** but it's still a *****.
There are male-to-female trans-people who, for whatever reason, have never had the full surgery, they may now have a smaller ***** but it's still a *****.
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13 August 2014, 08:14 AM
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Up until very recently I absolutely would have said "Live and let live" with regards to any kind of trans-gender/ trans-sexuality issues.
I've since read various articles that have made me look at it in a different light. If Frank is now Kellie and wants to wear a dress then good for him/ her. The thing is wearing a dress and changing your name does not make you a woman, especially if you have spent sixty years in a position of privilege as a white male.
Say Kellie wants to go swimming, it's a 'women only' session. Kellie identifies as a woman but she still has a *****. Should her rights as a trans-gendered person allow her into the swimming session? Or a female-only changing room?
If so then certain women would then be forbidden from using those spaces, should Kellie's rights trump their's?
I've since read various articles that have made me look at it in a different light. If Frank is now Kellie and wants to wear a dress then good for him/ her. The thing is wearing a dress and changing your name does not make you a woman, especially if you have spent sixty years in a position of privilege as a white male.
Say Kellie wants to go swimming, it's a 'women only' session. Kellie identifies as a woman but she still has a *****. Should her rights as a trans-gendered person allow her into the swimming session? Or a female-only changing room?
If so then certain women would then be forbidden from using those spaces, should Kellie's rights trump their's?
13 August 2014, 09:24 AM
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Up until very recently I absolutely would have said "Live and let live" with regards to any kind of trans-gender/ trans-sexuality issues.
I've since read various articles that have made me look at it in a different light. If Frank is now Kellie and wants to wear a dress then good for him/ her. The thing is wearing a dress and changing your name does not make you a woman, especially if you have spent sixty years in a position of privilege as a white male.
Say Kellie wants to go swimming, it's a 'women only' session. Kellie identifies as a woman but she still has a *****. Should her rights as a trans-gendered person allow her into the swimming session? Or a female-only changing room?
If so then certain women would then be forbidden from using those spaces, should Kellie's rights trump their's?
I've since read various articles that have made me look at it in a different light. If Frank is now Kellie and wants to wear a dress then good for him/ her. The thing is wearing a dress and changing your name does not make you a woman, especially if you have spent sixty years in a position of privilege as a white male.
Say Kellie wants to go swimming, it's a 'women only' session. Kellie identifies as a woman but she still has a *****. Should her rights as a trans-gendered person allow her into the swimming session? Or a female-only changing room?
If so then certain women would then be forbidden from using those spaces, should Kellie's rights trump their's?
13 August 2014, 09:28 AM
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He is living as a woman and will be undergoing the surgery in the future. As said on this thread you can't just wake up one morning, pop down to the local NHS hospital and decide you want to be a woman by 5pm that night. There is a whole process you have to go through that takes years before you have any operation.
13 August 2014, 09:52 AM
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The problem is that you can't just get the surgery on demand in this country. You have to show that you are living as a woman (or man, if you are going female-to-male) for a couple of years first, during this time hormone treatment is taken.
There are male-to-female trans-people who, for whatever reason, have never had the full surgery, they may now have a smaller ***** but it's still a *****.
There are male-to-female trans-people who, for whatever reason, have never had the full surgery, they may now have a smaller ***** but it's still a *****.
13 August 2014, 10:35 AM
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Cosmetic surgery can be done on the NHS, things like ears being 'pinned' back, some breast surgeries for example. I think (not 100% sure) it's if your physical appearance is causing you psychological problems.
13 August 2014, 10:40 AM
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Because he has a recognised medical condition called gender dysphoria where his biological sex is mismatched with his gender.
Before we start shouting 'yeah right' let's remember that while the NHS spends enormous amounts of money on treating people who drink, smoke and over eat (solely because the majority of them have no self control) I don't think we should get too upset over a few sex change operations whether we believe the condition to be genuine or not.
Before we start shouting 'yeah right' let's remember that while the NHS spends enormous amounts of money on treating people who drink, smoke and over eat (solely because the majority of them have no self control) I don't think we should get too upset over a few sex change operations whether we believe the condition to be genuine or not.
13 August 2014, 10:57 AM
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There has been a case recently, not in the UK, of a trans-woman being arrested. The controversy being that she wanted to be held in a women's prison, but having not had full surgery she still has a *****. There are valid reasons why some women prisoners would not want to share a space with this person. Being put in solitary confinement is against her rights because apparently it is not good from a psychological point of view.
Women have fought for centuries to have equal rights to men. When you think of other parts of the world where it is common for babies to be aborted because they are not male, to undergo brutal genital mutilation, to not be allowed to work or drive or have uncovered hair in public...
You can see why some women are pi$$ed off with being called trans-phobic if they don't want to share 'safe spaces' with a trans-gendered individual who still has the genitals they were born with.
There are some trans-people who are very active campaigners, read the info out there on blogs and forums, it's quite interesting.
13 August 2014, 11:02 AM
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Some of these people are content with carrying on with their own lives, some are determined to fight for 'their rights' and shouting down anyone who disagrees with them as transphobic.
There has been a case recently, not in the UK, of a trans-woman being arrested. The controversy being that she wanted to be held in a women's prison, but having not had full surgery she still has a *****. There are valid reasons why some women prisoners would not want to share a space with this person. Being put in solitary confinement is against her rights because apparently it is not good from a psychological point of view.
Women have fought for centuries to have equal rights to men. When you think of other parts of the world where it is common for babies to be aborted because they are not male, to undergo brutal genital mutilation, to not be allowed to work or drive or have uncovered hair in public...
You can see why some women are pi$$ed off with being called trans-phobic if they don't want to share 'safe spaces' with a trans-gendered individual who still has the genitals they were born with.
There are some trans-people who are very active campaigners, read the info out there on blogs and forums, it's quite interesting.
There has been a case recently, not in the UK, of a trans-woman being arrested. The controversy being that she wanted to be held in a women's prison, but having not had full surgery she still has a *****. There are valid reasons why some women prisoners would not want to share a space with this person. Being put in solitary confinement is against her rights because apparently it is not good from a psychological point of view.
Women have fought for centuries to have equal rights to men. When you think of other parts of the world where it is common for babies to be aborted because they are not male, to undergo brutal genital mutilation, to not be allowed to work or drive or have uncovered hair in public...
You can see why some women are pi$$ed off with being called trans-phobic if they don't want to share 'safe spaces' with a trans-gendered individual who still has the genitals they were born with.
There are some trans-people who are very active campaigners, read the info out there on blogs and forums, it's quite interesting.
In the case of most transgender individuals there is no issue. The last thing they are trying to do is draw any further attention to themselves.
Oh and it is possible to be an active campaigner for the acceptance of something without causing issues/trouble etc.
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13 August 2014, 01:01 PM
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Why do you feel the need to continually pick at people like this like you are back on the school playground, what is it in your psyche that irks you so about people that don't conform to your idea of a sexual norm? It's a recurring theme with you and it's the fact you are not quite sure of yourself would be my guess, but of course you'll strenuously deny that. Not that it is anything to be ashamed of.
13 August 2014, 01:03 PM
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Or a bloke in a wig whose had his dick cut off?