Rotherham child abuse - 1400 victims
27 August 2014, 01:41 PM
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What about all the indigenous paedophiles who have grown up here, what's their excuse? I don't really buy the "it's because they have had a sheltered upbringing and we have such a free and promiscuous society" thing to be honest.
I was raised a catholic and when I left home had my fair share of fun with the opposite sex (yes I know you all think I am gay so you think that's a lie
), but I never once thought of abusing a child.
It's something more deep rooted than upbringing or environment.
There are two problems here anyway... the abusers and those who let them abuse... in some ways the latter are worse than the former.
I was raised a catholic and when I left home had my fair share of fun with the opposite sex (yes I know you all think I am gay so you think that's a lie
), but I never once thought of abusing a child.It's something more deep rooted than upbringing or environment.
There are two problems here anyway... the abusers and those who let them abuse... in some ways the latter are worse than the former.
I also think it's a bit of the "forbidden fruit" syndrome as well as what TDW said about control, at the end of they day I along with all of us that discuss such matters will never understand the reasons people do these things because we're not peado's.
P.S; I know your not gay, just a sympathiser.
27 August 2014, 01:49 PM
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Do you think the location of the care homes should be revisited? Somewhere away from the very town that they are dragged into?
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27 August 2014, 03:52 PM
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Shocking report tbh, and sections of the Pakistani community should be taking a long hard look at themselves
As much as people want to blame simple "political correctness" from the council and others, not wanting to be seen to be blaming one section of the community - which absolutely was a major part of the problem
The report makes clear that another "enabler" was the culture within the police and social services of the very un "PC" view that these were simply worthless chav's - who were bringing any misfortune upon themselves (and they probably enjoy the sex and attention anyway) - views i have seen expressed on this forum
No simple fixes I am afraid
As much as people want to blame simple "political correctness" from the council and others, not wanting to be seen to be blaming one section of the community - which absolutely was a major part of the problem
The report makes clear that another "enabler" was the culture within the police and social services of the very un "PC" view that these were simply worthless chav's - who were bringing any misfortune upon themselves (and they probably enjoy the sex and attention anyway) - views i have seen expressed on this forum
No simple fixes I am afraid
27 August 2014, 04:00 PM
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Where I grew up in Nottingham close to the city centre there were 3 care homes and all the kids went to the various local schools, most of them were always in trouble and many of the girls went into prostitution, i'm pretty sure a lot went on to jail too. It would be interesting to find out the percentage of kids that have been in care that go on to end up in prison, i'll wager it's rather large.
27 August 2014, 06:37 PM
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I don't think the town would make a difference and we have seen what happens when you put them out in the countryside.
Where I grew up in Nottingham close to the city centre there were 3 care homes and all the kids went to the various local schools, most of them were always in trouble and many of the girls went into prostitution, i'm pretty sure a lot went on to jail too. It would be interesting to find out the percentage of kids that have been in care that go on to end up in prison, i'll wager it's rather large.
Where I grew up in Nottingham close to the city centre there were 3 care homes and all the kids went to the various local schools, most of them were always in trouble and many of the girls went into prostitution, i'm pretty sure a lot went on to jail too. It would be interesting to find out the percentage of kids that have been in care that go on to end up in prison, i'll wager it's rather large.
28 August 2014, 01:12 PM
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Absolutely disgusted by this whole affair - political correctness is destroying this country - the only good to come out of it is it's exposing exactly that.
My blood is still boiling after reading this article;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...acist-now.html
Also interesting to see how the BBC have been reporting this. Although like in the other cities this sort of thing has been happening, the abuse has been carried out by pakistani muslims, yet the majority of the BBC articles decline to mention this. Remember you don't need a TV licence if you only watch live TV, so you can stop funding them if you just watch things on catch-up.
This sort of thing must be going on all over the country - the people carrying out this stuff are almost invincible due to political correctness - all they need to do is cry 'racism'.
What can we do about it? Well nothing can be done until we're out of the 'Human Rights laws' shackles, so that mean's we need to get out the EU, elect some politicians with the ***** to take strong action and start sorting this multicultural mess out.
My blood is still boiling after reading this article;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...acist-now.html
Also interesting to see how the BBC have been reporting this. Although like in the other cities this sort of thing has been happening, the abuse has been carried out by pakistani muslims, yet the majority of the BBC articles decline to mention this. Remember you don't need a TV licence if you only watch live TV, so you can stop funding them if you just watch things on catch-up.
This sort of thing must be going on all over the country - the people carrying out this stuff are almost invincible due to political correctness - all they need to do is cry 'racism'.
What can we do about it? Well nothing can be done until we're out of the 'Human Rights laws' shackles, so that mean's we need to get out the EU, elect some politicians with the ***** to take strong action and start sorting this multicultural mess out.
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28 August 2014, 01:31 PM
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Absolutely disgusted by this whole affair - political correctness is destroying this country - the only good to come out of it is it's exposing exactly that.
My blood is still boiling after reading this article;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...acist-now.html
Also interesting to see how the BBC have been reporting this. Although like in the other cities this sort of thing has been happening, the abuse has been carried out by pakistani muslims, yet the majority of the BBC articles decline to mention this. Remember you don't need a TV licence if you only watch live TV, so you can stop funding them if you just watch things on catch-up.
This sort of thing must be going on all over the country - the people carrying out this stuff are almost invincible due to political correctness - all they need to do is cry 'racism'.
What can we do about it? Well nothing can be done until we're out of the 'Human Rights laws' shackles, so that mean's we need to get out the EU, elect some politicians with the ***** to take strong action and start sorting this multicultural mess out.
My blood is still boiling after reading this article;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...acist-now.html
Also interesting to see how the BBC have been reporting this. Although like in the other cities this sort of thing has been happening, the abuse has been carried out by pakistani muslims, yet the majority of the BBC articles decline to mention this. Remember you don't need a TV licence if you only watch live TV, so you can stop funding them if you just watch things on catch-up.
This sort of thing must be going on all over the country - the people carrying out this stuff are almost invincible due to political correctness - all they need to do is cry 'racism'.
What can we do about it? Well nothing can be done until we're out of the 'Human Rights laws' shackles, so that mean's we need to get out the EU, elect some politicians with the ***** to take strong action and start sorting this multicultural mess out.
You managed to hit all your favourite subjects in one post
The BBC
Multiculturism
Human Rights
Political Correctness
EU
are you sure you couldn't fit the Met-Office into this rant?
Not sure exactly what this appalling situation has to do with any of the above?
btw I listened to a very good debate on this on the BBC, so you are being selective again
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28 August 2014, 01:42 PM
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Oh didn't expect a comment from you Martin, there's a shock 
I don't doubt you utterly deplore the actions of these people, but you probably don't understand that you harbor the same sort of extreme-left/do-gooder views that has allowed this to go on for so long, and for these girls to suffer such extreme abuse.
I don't doubt you utterly deplore the actions of these people, but you probably don't understand that you harbor the same sort of extreme-left/do-gooder views that has allowed this to go on for so long, and for these girls to suffer such extreme abuse.
28 August 2014, 01:44 PM
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Oh didn't expect a comment from you Martin, there's a shock
I don't doubt you utterly deplore the actions of these people, but you probably don't understand that you harbor the same sort of extreme-left/do-gooder views that has allowed this to go on for so long, and for these girls to suffer such extreme abuse.
I don't doubt you utterly deplore the actions of these people, but you probably don't understand that you harbor the same sort of extreme-left/do-gooder views that has allowed this to go on for so long, and for these girls to suffer such extreme abuse.
You are shamelessly using this issue to make the same old, poorly thoughtout points
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28 August 2014, 02:06 PM
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Absolutely disgusted by this whole affair - political correctness is destroying this country - the only good to come out of it is it's exposing exactly that.
My blood is still boiling after reading this article;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...acist-now.html
Also interesting to see how the BBC have been reporting this. Although like in the other cities this sort of thing has been happening, the abuse has been carried out by pakistani muslims, yet the majority of the BBC articles decline to mention this. Remember you don't need a TV licence if you only watch live TV, so you can stop funding them if you just watch things on catch-up.
This sort of thing must be going on all over the country - the people carrying out this stuff are almost invincible due to political correctness - all they need to do is cry 'racism'.
What can we do about it? Well nothing can be done until we're out of the 'Human Rights laws' shackles, so that mean's we need to get out the EU, elect some politicians with the ***** to take strong action and start sorting this multicultural mess out.
My blood is still boiling after reading this article;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...acist-now.html
Also interesting to see how the BBC have been reporting this. Although like in the other cities this sort of thing has been happening, the abuse has been carried out by pakistani muslims, yet the majority of the BBC articles decline to mention this. Remember you don't need a TV licence if you only watch live TV, so you can stop funding them if you just watch things on catch-up.
This sort of thing must be going on all over the country - the people carrying out this stuff are almost invincible due to political correctness - all they need to do is cry 'racism'.
What can we do about it? Well nothing can be done until we're out of the 'Human Rights laws' shackles, so that mean's we need to get out the EU, elect some politicians with the ***** to take strong action and start sorting this multicultural mess out.
28 August 2014, 02:08 PM
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Well I guess we'll just agree to disagree on this one. I'm sure you mean well Martin and want what's best for everyone, but sadly it's not all flowers and rainbows out there like Guardian readers would often be led to believe.
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You are racist, I get that, but save it for another time and preferably somewhere other than Scoobynet!
28 August 2014, 02:18 PM
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Yes I have, it's a shocking tale of abuse and criminal neglect on behalf of the authorities and I am not about to take attention away from the real issues by turning it into an anti Muslim, anti Pakistani issue like you want to do.
You are racist, I get that, but save it for another time and preferably somewhere other than Scoobynet!
You are racist, I get that, but save it for another time and preferably somewhere other than Scoobynet!
Do you run a care home in Rotherham?
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totally agree!
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When all's said and done these guys were breaking the law big time. So it was up to the police to apprehend them but they failed spectacularly.
I appreciate some of the real difficulties in getting the evidence but that's not a valid reason.
The law is the law and no copper has the right to ignore the law being broken in case he upsets someone. These coppers should be identified and face the consequences.
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I appreciate some of the real difficulties in getting the evidence but that's not a valid reason.
The law is the law and no copper has the right to ignore the law being broken in case he upsets someone. These coppers should be identified and face the consequences.
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When all's said and done these guys were breaking the law big time. So it was up to the police to apprehend them but they failed spectacularly.
I appreciate some of the real difficulties in getting the evidence but that's not a valid reason.
The law is the law and no copper has the right to ignore the law being broken in case he upsets someone. These coppers should be identified and face the consequences.
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I appreciate some of the real difficulties in getting the evidence but that's not a valid reason.
The law is the law and no copper has the right to ignore the law being broken in case he upsets someone. These coppers should be identified and face the consequences.
dl
Where s the Home Office in all this? They have the power to act here, yet we have hardly heard a peep out of Teflon May.
The reaction to and resulting actions so far as result of this report are seriously underwhelming. Lots of people standing around going 'tut tut' is about as far as it goes.
Why no one is to face disciplinary action is utterly beyond me, what sort of message does this send out to others in similar positions?
The whole thing is utterly bewildering!
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Yes but how many times even on this very forum have we seen the words 'let's hope something positive comes out of this' yet here we are again... only worse!
It's down to the government to act and make changes to the system, but it never ever happens regardless of which party is in power!
It's down to the government to act and make changes to the system, but it never ever happens regardless of which party is in power!
28 August 2014, 02:33 PM
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Yep, that is the whole problem with this report. It has already been stated that no one is to face disciplinary action yet we keep being told that lessons are being learned and clearly they are not.
Where s the Home Office in all this? They have the power to act here, yet we have hardly heard a peep out of Teflon May.
The reaction to and resulting actions so far as result of this report are seriously underwhelming. Lots of people standing around going 'tut tut' is about as far as it goes.
Why no one is to face disciplinary action is utterly beyond me, what sort of message does this send out to others in similar positions?
The whole thing is utterly bewildering!
Where s the Home Office in all this? They have the power to act here, yet we have hardly heard a peep out of Teflon May.
The reaction to and resulting actions so far as result of this report are seriously underwhelming. Lots of people standing around going 'tut tut' is about as far as it goes.
Why no one is to face disciplinary action is utterly beyond me, what sort of message does this send out to others in similar positions?
The whole thing is utterly bewildering!
Those who covered this up should face the same punishment as the abusers.
28 August 2014, 03:12 PM
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I would wager that any low level copper would have been told that his career is on the line and anyone who dared to step out of line to expose this would have been disciplined and ultimately sacked.
SYP certainly have made some massive ****-ups over the years. Hillsborough is unlikely to ever be forgotten, now this affair and to top it off, there's the Cliff Richard raid which makes you wonder what's happening up there. I wouldn't trust SYP, especially with the police commissioner that they have, who clearly is only interested in serving his own interests, not those of the public or police.
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