hodgy0_2

I am going to bed now, but I would just like to say - jtaylor you really are an ar5ehole

I would not even class you as "mid week pub fodder"

I say it safe in the knowledge that you have a special imaginary friend, ready to deflect the "slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune"

But it just might make my passage to sleep easier

Please Forgive me

JTaylor

So we have an Iranian tv channel and a man on it that also said on the same channel that 9/11 "was an inside job" and that the "US government and intelligence agencies, including Mossad were responsible". This is the same man that alleged that "the United States government, including the President, had prior knowledge of the Japanese attacks on Pearl Harbor during World War II, but allowed the attacks to go ahead in order to have an excuse to enter the war." *

A false flagger! He's basically STIPete.

* http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_O'Keefe

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Wikipedia isn't a definitive source.

JTaylor

I forgive you.

JTaylor

He said it on Press TV!

stipete75

Anne Machon is ex MI5, a whistleblower like snowden to tell the public just how it really is. She was personally involved in MI5 Gaddafi false flags.
False flags are real, they have been happening for thousands of years, of course they still happen.
If you don't believe this then as ken O Keef says.......you must be a real dumb ***.

hodgy0_2

of course false flags are real, I posted a few for you in another thread

we know they are real because we have evidence/facts/documents/admissions, not simple internet opinion

the sad thing is, that undoubtedly, in your effort to attribute every single incident in the world to a false flag you will probably (by the law of probability) get one right eventually, a broken clock tells the right time once every 12 hours

stipete75

Nearly everything globally important we see on the news is drama for the elite, for the NWO for power,,,,it's all fabrication, falsehood, scare tactics ........I'm taking the biggie stories here, the world economy, international debts, Ebola, Isis, Russia Ukraine conflict, flight mh7, (just a few of the recent huge events that can change every bodies lives) all the way back to Kennedy etc.
It's all controlled by puppeteers, a real life soap opera in pursuit of ultimate control for the elite.

hodgy0_2

Basically "the matrix", sure I get you Neo

JTaylor

Are you being serious?

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Just shut up and watch the video above!

JTaylor

Well Klein's certainly a step-up from your man O'Keefe, in fact I (along with virtually everybody else on my course) read No Logo whilst a student. Unfortunately in The Shock Doctrine she suggests that Margaret Thatcher created the Falkland Islands crisis "to crush the unions and foist unfettered capitalism upon an unwilling British public." I just don't buy it, Maz.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

I must have missed that James. The bit about Thatcher 'creating' the Falklands crisis. To me it was a case of the Falklands conflict coming to Thatcher's rescue. Surging her popularity. After all there's nothing like a war to galvanise public opinion.
Do you dismiss The Shock Doctrine as incorrect and falsifying the events it portrays?

JTaylor

It did Thatcher a world of good that's for sure, but it wasn't a false flag, which is implicit in Klein's writing.

Not entirely. I'll answer in a bit more depth later, I'm working at the moment.

stipete75

Haven't got to the thatcher bit yet as only watched 20mins, but so far I wouldn't doubt any of it!
Reality already tells us wars change things that the puppeteers want changed.
As I said before their is a reason for everything, nothing just happens.
We are pawns on a earth sized chess board.
Will watch the rest later and update.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Tut tut James. Exodus 20.8-11.

JTaylor

Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

This abrogates the old Covenant laws of the Old Testament (within which Exodus is found). Ideally I wouldn't work on a Sunday, but alas I need to 'render to Caesar'.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

It is God's will.

JTaylor

I have an uneasy relationship with Klein. I thought she was the bee's knees fifteen years ago, but I lurched to the right and then back towards the centre-right whilst she's remained staunchly of the left.

I have sympathy with a number of her positions, but I end up rationalising that capitalism is the worst form of economic system accept for all the others that have been tried. Take The Shock Doctrine, Klein chastises and rebukes Friedman for his laissez-faire economics, accusing the system of creating disasters that are to be exploited by the economic and political elite. Yet if one takes the credit crunch, if the market had been left to its own devices (instead of being interfered with by the state) as Friedman would have it, the correction would have been far more severe and the financial world wouldn't have benefited from the one way bet. This leads to a paradox within Klein's hypothesis: Friedman, her nemesis, would have had the 'bankers' suffer, state interference (her default position on the left) let the 'bankers' off the hook.

Secondly, she claims as revelatory and revolutionary the idea that elites exploit bad situations for their own ends. Well blow me down with a feather! As Hodgy pointed out to STIPete, yes there are false flags and contrived events which are subsequently exploited, but that doesn't mean that everything that happens in the world is part of that web of deceit. It's childish to suggest it is.

Third point: she's a champagne socialist who's marketed herself and her ideas brilliantly. I can remember a lad at uni' wearing a No Logo t-shirt; No Logo had become a logo. Now that's irony!

Despite all that she's good at what she does, an interesting read and hidden amongst the contradictions are valuable points that keep the elites on their toes.

RA Dunk

lol, talk about telling it like it is, I like this guy!