Should British jihadis be allowed back?
05 September 2014, 11:42 PM
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I think we should first get the names of those who want to come back and then give those details to their militant commanders and let them deal with their desertion, killing several birds with one stone;
they won't be coming back,
tax payers don't pay for their surveillance,
reduced threat to public safety,
they get dealt with outside of the UK,
will discourage others from doing the same,
Reap what you sow.
they won't be coming back,
tax payers don't pay for their surveillance,
reduced threat to public safety,
they get dealt with outside of the UK,
will discourage others from doing the same,
Reap what you sow.
06 September 2014, 08:05 AM
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I think we should first get the names of those who want to come back and then give those details to their militant commanders and let them deal with their desertion, killing several birds with one stone;
they won't be coming back,
tax payers don't pay for their surveillance,
reduced threat to public safety,
they get dealt with outside of the UK,
will discourage others from doing the same,
Reap what you sow.
they won't be coming back,
tax payers don't pay for their surveillance,
reduced threat to public safety,
they get dealt with outside of the UK,
will discourage others from doing the same,
Reap what you sow.
06 September 2014, 09:59 AM
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Not a chance!
Not just for these lot but as a general commentary on society there are far too many people around who are incapable of accepting responsibility and dealing with the consequences of their own actions.
You made your choice,now suck it up and stop crying like pussies!!
Not just for these lot but as a general commentary on society there are far too many people around who are incapable of accepting responsibility and dealing with the consequences of their own actions.
You made your choice,now suck it up and stop crying like pussies!!
08 September 2014, 12:25 PM
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08 September 2014, 09:16 PM
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09 September 2014, 04:26 PM
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Yes and No.
Yes, because they obviously went out there on the pretence that they are fighting a noble cause (you know little man fighting against the dictator thingy...) but actually found out the realities are not as black and white as they previously thought.
No, because they might not be entirely truthful with their intentions or a couple of bad eggs might get in and cause some harm to innocent folk.
Yes, because they obviously went out there on the pretence that they are fighting a noble cause (you know little man fighting against the dictator thingy...) but actually found out the realities are not as black and white as they previously thought.
No, because they might not be entirely truthful with their intentions or a couple of bad eggs might get in and cause some harm to innocent folk.
12 September 2014, 03:28 PM
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I've given this quite a bit of thought and have reasoned that it would be right to let them back in. It shows us as compassionate and open and might just soften the hearts of the jihadis.
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12 September 2014, 04:01 PM
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I'm not suggesting we do a Neville Chamberlain, I support action against IS (in fact I don't think there's an alternative), but young jihadis who've found themselves out of their depth might just appreciate our warm embrace. They might, just might, want to stop with their Salafist poppycock.
12 September 2014, 04:10 PM
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I'm not suggesting we do a Neville Chamberlain, I support action against IS (in fact I don't think there's an alternative), but young jihadis who've found themselves out of their depth might just appreciate our warm embrace. They might, just might, want to stop with their Salafist poppycock.
12 September 2014, 04:24 PM
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If they went there to fight Assad and his henchmen (who were the bad guys) then surely they were acting in our interests. As at one point Cameron considered military intervention himself. However I still wouldn't allow them back as they were warned about going there in the first place. As they refused to follow that simple command then they've forfeited their rights to live and enjoy the freedom and protection of the state.
12 September 2014, 04:59 PM
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Very few went to Syria to fight Assad in opposition to his politics, they went there as Sunni fighting Shia. The pro-democracy movement survived less than a strawberry season. Nonetheless, if one of these youngsters realised they'd made an error, we ought to take the moral high-ground and let them come home. Monitor and counsel them and maybe we de-radicalise them in the process. If we exclude them indefinitely, they'll certainly hate the west for the remainder of their lives.
12 September 2014, 06:32 PM
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12 September 2014, 07:02 PM
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I believe that being part of a terrorist group responsible for massacres and beheadings would be a start. Or does your moral high ground extend to assuming that those returning would not have been involved in any way in any of these atrocities? A bit naive don't you think?
12 September 2014, 07:19 PM
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I believe that being part of a terrorist group responsible for massacres and beheadings would be a start. Or does your moral high ground extend to assuming that those returning would not have been involved in any way in any of these atrocities? A bit naive don't you think?
12 September 2014, 07:34 PM
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Of course, but requesting repatriation, having been a member of a terrorist group, might be construed as guilt by association. And if it doesn't then your earlier suggestion of monitoring, counseling and de-radicalising them would fall flat too. Following your logic we will have no alternative but to allow them to take their places in society again as if nothing has happened. No harm done then.
12 September 2014, 07:38 PM
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Of course, but requesting repatriation, having been a member of a terrorist group, might be construed as guilt by association. And if it doesn't then your earlier suggestion of monitoring, counseling and de-radicalising them would fall flat too. Following your logic we will have no alternative but to allow them to take their places in society again as if nothing has happened. No harm done then.
