RODGER CLARK MOTORSPORT
07 September 2014 | 10:40 AM
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07 September 2014 | 10:52 AM
#62
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Isn't big end failure associated with head gasket problems? I have definitely heard of that before, not sure on specifics though. I would expect a tuner to at least check or advise me in that case.
I would also want a bit of a discount as 3k for big end bearings (& crank?) for parts alone seems like daylight robbery - would think they should be discounting heavily after the work you had done (and they would still make a ton of money).
I would also want a bit of a discount as 3k for big end bearings (& crank?) for parts alone seems like daylight robbery - would think they should be discounting heavily after the work you had done (and they would still make a ton of money).
07 September 2014 | 10:52 AM
#63
Rebuilt with new genuine seal kits and stainless bleed screws.
The price reflects the work involved in doing the Brembo calipers right. I would say there is around 10 hours labour involved in them start to finish with the processes we use sometimes more depending if they need re threads etc.
07 September 2014 | 10:55 AM
#64
Your right the big tuners like enginetuner Slowboys paul finch etc..but i have definitely heard of rebuilds letting go by shall we say certain so called subaru specialist.I think with RCM they charge what they think there subaru expertise is worth.SJ.
07 September 2014 | 10:57 AM
#65
Ive only ever heard good things about RCM and Ollie is very approachable and decent guy. If your having issues go and and see him as I'm sure he will go through things with you and if there is a reason why they want you to pay for the build again with some parts already paid for ask them why and to justify there reasons behind that.
Genuinely i don't think they will be trying to rip you off in any way and if you speak to them I'm sure things will get sorted. There prices are at the top end for a reason as they are one of the best.
Genuinely i don't think they will be trying to rip you off in any way and if you speak to them I'm sure things will get sorted. There prices are at the top end for a reason as they are one of the best.
07 September 2014 | 10:58 AM
#66
Isn't big end failure associated with head gasket problems? I have definitely heard of that before, not sure on specifics though. I would expect a tuner to at least check or advise me in that case.
I would also want a bit of a discount as 3k for big end bearings (& crank?) for parts alone seems like daylight robbery - would think they should be discounting heavily after the work you had done (and they would still make a ton of money).
I would also want a bit of a discount as 3k for big end bearings (& crank?) for parts alone seems like daylight robbery - would think they should be discounting heavily after the work you had done (and they would still make a ton of money).
07 September 2014 | 10:59 AM
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Are this explains some of the pricing, their a middle man.
Everyone is recommending that the op speaks to them and voices his concerns but has anyone asked whether or not he has already done this.........
Everyone is recommending that the op speaks to them and voices his concerns but has anyone asked whether or not he has already done this.........
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07 September 2014 | 11:05 AM
#68
Ive only ever done the one set for them they certainly arnt a middle man. They are usually faultless. But all companies can make mistakes. Im sure this will be put right if needed also.
My point was the calipers weren't just painted. They were fully reconditioned with new seals etc.
The only reason i posted the info was it seemed a bit of a witch hunt on there pricing which i think isnt fair when people thought they had charged £600 for a quick repaint of the calipers.
My point was the calipers weren't just painted. They were fully reconditioned with new seals etc.
The only reason i posted the info was it seemed a bit of a witch hunt on there pricing which i think isnt fair when people thought they had charged £600 for a quick repaint of the calipers.
07 September 2014 | 11:06 AM
#69
RCM quoted me £150 for the OEM oil cooler pipes off a Spec-C, They did`nt have them in stock and would have to order them as no one had any(i tried everyone), I ordered them from Japanparts for £60 delivered!!
As Banny says the GS2 needs to be paid for somehow, You cant fault some of the work they do but the prices are out of this world IMO.
So if the headgaskets had gone and water got into the oil....Is that not enough in itself to recommend the bearings to be changed for the sake of £100?(Prob about £200 from RCM) + labour, RCM are salesman after all looked like they forgot to maximize the sale at the time on this one....Or did they as it turned out good for them in the long run
As Banny says the GS2 needs to be paid for somehow, You cant fault some of the work they do but the prices are out of this world IMO.
So if the headgaskets had gone and water got into the oil....Is that not enough in itself to recommend the bearings to be changed for the sake of £100?(Prob about £200 from RCM) + labour, RCM are salesman after all looked like they forgot to maximize the sale at the time on this one....Or did they as it turned out good for them in the long run
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07 September 2014 | 11:06 AM
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I would assume he hasnt or he would have posted up RCM's response
07 September 2014 | 11:12 AM
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Ive only ever done the one set for them they certainly arnt a middle man. They are usually faultless. But all companies can make mistakes. Im sure this will be put right if needed also.
My point was the calipers weren't just painted. They were fully reconditioned with new seals etc.
The only reason i posted the info was it seemed a bit of a witch hunt on there pricing which i think isnt fair when people thought they had charged £600 for a quick repaint of the calipers.
My point was the calipers weren't just painted. They were fully reconditioned with new seals etc.
The only reason i posted the info was it seemed a bit of a witch hunt on there pricing which i think isnt fair when people thought they had charged £600 for a quick repaint of the calipers.
07 September 2014 | 11:17 AM
#73
Mat Clark, Ollies brother does the work & he is meticulous.
07 September 2014 | 11:34 AM
#76
if the head gasket has failed, and you go for a top end rebuild ie valves reseated, new stem seals, new gasket's. it stand's to reason the bottom end will be under load's as per back to new, so a bottom end with 80,000 miles on is not going to be up to the job,the piston's and ring's might but the big end bearing's are only oilite bush's. barum engineering local to me (who my father worked for) will only do it after explaining to the customer what will probably happen after a few thousand mile's
07 September 2014 | 11:43 AM
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Seal kits are about £220 on these for front and rear. I believe we did the calipers for RCM for this car if they are these ones. They went through a full rebuild including stripping cleaning blasting all the pitting filled before been powdercoated blue. The powdercoated gives a nice surface finish the work with over the filled pitted surface. They are then prepped for paint and painted with normal paint before logos are applied and the clear coat to seal them all in.
Rebuilt with new genuine seal kits and stainless bleed screws.
The price reflects the work involved in doing the Brembo calipers right. I would say there is around 10 hours labour involved in them start to finish with the processes we use sometimes more depending if they need re threads etc.
Rebuilt with new genuine seal kits and stainless bleed screws.
The price reflects the work involved in doing the Brembo calipers right. I would say there is around 10 hours labour involved in them start to finish with the processes we use sometimes more depending if they need re threads etc.
07 September 2014 | 11:47 AM
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07 September 2014 | 11:54 AM
#80
Darrell - care to inform the OP what you charge RCM for the build (with documented proof) so we can see how much "Cream" was added?
AFAIK, the OP contacted RCM through a solicitor to inform them how he wanted to progress and gave them 7 days to respond................. the 7 days has been and gone.
Once again - I am hearing this information from his family members and my comments are based on these.
AFAIK, the OP contacted RCM through a solicitor to inform them how he wanted to progress and gave them 7 days to respond................. the 7 days has been and gone.
Once again - I am hearing this information from his family members and my comments are based on these.
07 September 2014 | 12:04 PM
#81
Also, on the first rebuild they charged him for skimming the heads..... then charged him to skim the heads A SECOND TIME after the big ends went - heads had only been on the engine for next to no miles - how is that acceptable? is was not Head gasket failure that caused the bearing failure????
They also charged his for 4 BRAND NEW OE SUBARU CONRODS for the second build, WHY?
IHMO, it sounds to me like they were fitting and charging for bits not needing to be changed - so they made money on the build instead of seeing the customer was properly looked after. (my opinion, not the OP's)
Looking forward to being able to release the bill that I have here onto scoobynet, you gotta see some of the prices they charged for OE Subaru items that they only fitted, not modified (Oil Modine, etc)!
NO TRADE PRICES ON PARTS, FULL RETAIL FOR PARTS ON AN ENGINE THAT THEY FORGED AND THEN HAD IT FAIL ON THEM - WHILST IT WAS IN THEIR POSSESSION SO THEY HAD RESPONSABILITY AND LIABILITY FOR IT !!!!!!!!!!!
They also charged his for 4 BRAND NEW OE SUBARU CONRODS for the second build, WHY?
IHMO, it sounds to me like they were fitting and charging for bits not needing to be changed - so they made money on the build instead of seeing the customer was properly looked after. (my opinion, not the OP's)
Looking forward to being able to release the bill that I have here onto scoobynet, you gotta see some of the prices they charged for OE Subaru items that they only fitted, not modified (Oil Modine, etc)!
NO TRADE PRICES ON PARTS, FULL RETAIL FOR PARTS ON AN ENGINE THAT THEY FORGED AND THEN HAD IT FAIL ON THEM - WHILST IT WAS IN THEIR POSSESSION SO THEY HAD RESPONSABILITY AND LIABILITY FOR IT !!!!!!!!!!!
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07 September 2014 | 12:05 PM
#82
The only thing about this thread is that you have got more chance in getting blood from a stone then olley from RCM coming on here to give his side of the story,the fact that solicitor's are involved now it must be serious.SJ.
07 September 2014 | 12:11 PM
#83
Have you ever heard of a RCM rebuild letting go?,i have not,and i think its because of this and other factors i.e clever marketing and the RCM logo that has performance and reliablity associated with there name has them at the for front of subaru specialist.I do agree with you though that there are other Good subaru tuners out there with great reps as well.SJ.
07 September 2014 | 12:21 PM
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07 September 2014 | 01:09 PM
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07 September 2014 | 01:30 PM
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07 September 2014 | 01:53 PM
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Also, on the first rebuild they charged him for skimming the heads..... then charged him to skim the heads A SECOND TIME after the big ends went - heads had only been on the engine for next to no miles - how is that acceptable? is was not Head gasket failure that caused the bearing failure???? They also charged his for 4 BRAND NEW OE SUBARU CONRODS for the second build, WHY? IHMO, it sounds to me like they were fitting and charging for bits not needing to be changed - so they made money on the build instead of seeing the customer was properly looked after. (my opinion, not the OP's) Looking forward to being able to release the bill that I have here onto scoobynet, you gotta see some of the prices they charged for OE Subaru items that they only fitted, not modified (Oil Modine, etc)! NO TRADE PRICES ON PARTS, FULL RETAIL FOR PARTS ON AN ENGINE THAT THEY FORGED AND THEN HAD IT FAIL ON THEM - WHILST IT WAS IN THEIR POSSESSION SO THEY HAD RESPONSABILITY AND LIABILITY FOR IT !!!!!!!!!!!
I think the main thing to establish is the quote/advice given before the original build and whether the OP chose to leave anything to chance?