This would be interesting to know.

 

/\ /\ Irrelevant IMO /\ /\

 

As above. Why? It's got nothing to do with the issues the OP has.

 

Thats between me and RCM and i wont be giving details about costs. I am realising now my comment was a mistake

 

On a rebuild they will want to replace everything.

If they didn't replace all parts then it went again everybody would be saying well after first issues i cant believe they didn't replace everything and make sure its 100% this time round.

RCM couldn't win on this one???

 

It's something I'd like to have known, there's nothing wrong with that is there?
Or is this the start of you getting on your little Scoobynet high horse towards me after what I said in another thread? Grow up.

 

Nope no high horse. Just don't like **** stirrers.

 

For me with regards to pricing if the OP is happy to pay £XXX to get his brakes done then fair play to him. Whats it matter that RCM made a few quid (probably) on top. ALL businesses do the same. They are afterall in it to make money as well as provide a service etc...

Anyway hope it gets sorted asap for the OP.

Cheers

 

I blame the mapper.

 

If anyone's stirring the **** it's you trying to get a reaction.
How in any way shape or form am I stirring the **** by asking what the overall profit is on RCM's behalf through Scoobyworx?

I'm asking a simple question, Scoobyworx replied and said they wouldn't be posting details, end of. Don't need some jumped up 'I've been here since 2004 Scoobynet fanatic' trying to jump down my throat.

 

 

Was a thread about scandal treason and plot. Now these two have a tiff mid episode, get a room will ya.

 

In that case they would be better starting with a brand new engine and replacing the weak parts like rods, pistons etc.

OP has gone with RCM because of their track record and by the looks of it they've let him down and charged him through the teeth for the privilege.

 

I blame Subaru.

 

I blame Nico Rosberg

 

OP, hope you get it sorted mate.

 

Dies it matter how much RCM make, they are a business not a charity.

FWIW I've had many parts from RCM in the past and their service is exceptional. They might be a few £ more than others on some parts, but I'll happily pay that little bit more knowing I'll get a great service.

As others have said, there are two sides to every story, as seeing RCM don't come on here we won't know the full story, so I'm not going to read too much into this thread.

 

What is the breakdown for the £3600 bill that they have now thrown at you ???

Bearing in mind they will sell you a fully built forged 2.5 short motor for a little over 4K. And that includes a brand spanking new block...

 

Damn; those little black boxes are so purdy, worth every penny IMO





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What back boxes and what's Joanna Lumley got to do with this?

 

With regards to how much money they make/profit.

Funnily enough businesses are in business to make money otherwise they soon go out of business. It sort of stands to reason.

Whether they manufacture or simply sell on and/or fit other companies parts and services is their business and our choice as to who we use.

We all have a choice as to who we spend our money with. Research and recommendation should play a part of this prices along with instinct and experience.

Personally i shop around, cheapest not always best, warranty and backup also play a part.

If the OP has an issue with RCM and it has got litigious then i am surprised it is being so openly discussed on a public forum.

Seems to be a few people with axes to grind from behind thier monitors and some sh*t stirring to boot, see scabbynet hasn't changed much then....

 

Keith - I agree they are a business but why is it acceptable to make money off an engine build that is only taking place because they blew the engine up whilst it was in their possession? If your car went in for a service and one of the techs blew your engine up whilst test driving it prior toyou picking it up, would you class it as acceptable to be charged FULL RETAIL on the parts needed to replace the block that THEY damaged whilst it was in THEIR possession??

Some or their parts cost more because they have modified them (eg, Oil Pumps) and the extra cost for their work is money well spent...... however paying RCM X for a Subaru Water Pump that can be bought RETAIL from Subaru for Y is wrong! great for business, but wrong!

the OP was informed that this engine build (for his ROAD CAR) HAS NO WRITTEN GUARANTEE WITH IT! - they have never had an engine go wrong so far so they don't need to give one out........ so you pay for all that work and you get no written guarantee on the parts or the workmanship??????

Had they given the OP the parts for the 2nd engine rebuild at TRADE (they still get to claim the VAT back on that lot) and built it without charging for labour (I know they are not a charity but they are also not losing money as they get the VAT back on all the parts and more importantly, they look after a customer tho have already spent 12K with them) , then I would be giving them a 10/10 for customer service..... as it is, they have failed in that department.

 

I have no axe to grind, I am 400 miles away from RCM , have no need to use them (build my own engines) but I will happily buy RCM Fuel Rails, Vernier Cam Pullies, modified Oil Pumps and Baffled Sumps ( I have all the said items on my current car)............... because they make the best versions of those parts, without question.

Russell

 

and they come in nice boxes.

 

Fanboy alert!! RCM are good but not infallible. As always you are always as good as your last job.
If as suggested you think that rcm are not active and watching threads of this nature I do have some magic beans for sale. (they come in a nice box)

 

It would appear that they charge thousands more over some other well known engine builder's that on top of that give you a guarantee if what I read is true, are they really so much better than the other top builder's?

The "other top builders" will most likely use the same part and places like Enginetuner are not exactly amateurs so for the extra amount which is a LOT you really do need a job and service head and shoulders above the rest, I suspect that some of the extra they charge is because they can, not because its worth it.

The bigger the company and the more they charge the more they should be subjected to scrutiny, NOT LESS imho.

 

I just know from experience there are two sides to every story, we've seen that literally hundreds of times on Scoobynet.

Scubbay - I sincerely hope that wasn't aimed at me. I'm no fanboy at all, just appreciate good service when i receive it. Most of my parts come from AS Performance FWIW.

 

The op said he was fine with paying top dollar for them to carry out the work, which is fair enough.

From what I make of it he was annoyed that no one advised to change the big end bearings which subsequently let go. I know if I was paying that kind of money then I would expect someone as meticulous as RCM to advise on this in the original quote/estimate.

As said before best contacting them directly to resolve

 

Right guys i work nights so have not been able to reply all day. When i took the car to them there was no mention of looking at the big end our changing it out. The fact is it went to them in February and they still have my car in pieces. 12k for what they have done is expensive and for it to take this long and then for them to blow my car up and expect ME to pay another 3600 (JUST IN PARTS) is crazy. For everybody that is saying go and talk to him i have spoke to Olly. Nothing got resolved that is why i have got a solicitor involved because 16k for this is crazy. I wasn't even getting much more power. In the start i asked for the bill to be kept under 10 and when it was finished the bill was 12k so that was 2k over original. They have take me for a fool because i work away for a month at a time and now they have blown the car they re trying to cover there backs. It is robbery of 16k I will post the list of parts for both builds 1st and after they blew it.

 

Car details Subaru Impreza WRX STI

RCM NO DESCRIPTION QTY: PRICE TOTAL

SEN78 Head Skim 2 £60.00 £120.00
SGA14 Exhaust Stem Oil Seal 8 £4.61 £36.88
SGA15 Inlet Stem Oil Seal 8 £4.83 £38.64
SGA18 Valve Collet 32 £1.47 £47.04
SCL46 AP Racing Organic Clutch Kit 1 £583.53 £583.53
RCM2489 RCM Lightweight Flywheel 1 £349.00 £349.00
RCM2253 RCM Omega Piston set 1 £649.00 £649.00
SEN668 Gudgeon pin Seal 3 £1.22 £3.66
SGA93 Gudgeon pin seal 1 £2.83 £2.83
SGA41 Rear Crank oil Seal 1 £22.27 £22.27
RCM1692 Rcm Cylinder Head Gasket 2 £59.99 £119.98
RCM1540 RCM Extreme 11mm Head stud kit 1 £299.99 £299.99
SGA16 Inlet Manifold Gasket 2 £9.76 £19.52
SGA01 Exhaust Manifold Gasket 2 £10.48 £20.96
SGA152 RH Rocker Cover Gasket 1 £11.36 £11.36
SGA153 LH Rocker Cover Gasket 1 £11.36 £11.36
SGA20 Rocker Spark Plug seal 4 £7.34 £29.36
RCM2477 RCM Air pump Delete kit 1 £45.99 £45.99
SGA103 Camshaft oil seal 4 £9.48 £37.92
SGA214 VVT Solenoid Gasket 1 £4.43 £4.43
SGA229 VVT Solenoid Gasket 1 £4.43 £4.43
SSE76 NGK Uprated park plug 4 £18.13 £72.52
SEN1158 Factor Cosworth Timing Belt kit 1 £330.99 £330.99
SGA43 Dip Stick O ring 2 £1.10 £2.20
SEN68 Thermostat 1 £31.42 £31.42
SGA61 Thermostat seal 1 £3.39 £3.39
Subcontract Cylinder head strip & De-coke 2 £40.00 £80.00
STU17 Copper Washer 8 £1.25 £10.03
RCM2110 RCM Equal Length Exhaust Manifold 1 £495.00 £495.00
RCM418 RCM Manifold fitting kit 1 £70.07 £70.07
RCM1258 RCM Ceramic Coating of Exhaust Manifold 1 £375.00 £375.00
SGA47 Water Transfer O Rings 2 £2.93 £5.86
SGA227 VVT O Ring Seal 2 £5.58 £11.16
SGA133 VVT O Ring Seal Large 2 £3.60 £7.20
SEN256 Hose Clip 6 £1.25 £7.50
SEN278 Hose Clip 6 £1.25 £7.50
RCM2463 RCM Race Oil Filter 1 £17.95 £17.95
SSE27 Sump Washer 1 £1.29 £1.29
SGA06 Downpipe gasket-Turbo end 1 £19.33 £19.33
SGA05 Downpipe gasket-Centre 1 £31.15 £31.15
SPE13 Bolt for Downpipe to Centre 2 £4.60 £9.20
SBO472 Nut for SPE13 2 £1.87 £3.74
SUBARU Timing belt cover foam seals 4 £6.50 £26.00
Labour Fuel Injector Service and check 4 £17.50 £70.00
Consumable Castrol Edge 10/60 1 £51.00 £51.00
SEN787 Subaru Engine Shim 10 £35.53 £355.30
Consumable Antifreeze 1 £17.75 £17.75
MOT MOT Test 1 £50.00 £50.00
Labour RCM Workshop Labour 45 £55.00 £2,475.00
Consumable Workshop Consumable 1 £25.00 £25.00
Power Run Rolling Road Session 1 £85.00 £85.00

TOTAL PARTS AND LABOUR £7,085.70

VAT @ 20% £1,417.14

TOTAL £8,502.84

Options

IMSHO52 Samco Radiator Hose kit 1 £73.10 £73.10
IMSHO54 Samco Coolant Hose Kit 1 £243.35 £243.35
IMSHO58 Samco Intercooler Hose kit - Blue 1 £72.36 £72.36

TOTAL PARTS £388.81

VAT @ 20% £77.76

TOTAL £466.57

Subcontract Brake Disc Skim 2 £75.00 £150.00
Subcontract RCM Front Caliper Refurb 2 £165.00 £330.00
Subcontract RCM Rear Caliper Refurb 2 £157.50 £315.00
Consumable AP 5.1 Brake Fluid 1 £17.75 £17.75
Labour RCM Workshop Labour 4 £55.00 £220.00
Consumable Workshop Sundries 1 £6.95 £6.95

TOTAL PARTS £1,039.70

VAT @ 20% £207.94

TOTAL £1,247.64

Stage 1 Power Upgrade

RCM2460 RCM Fuel Pump 1 £125.00 £125.00
RCM2260 RCM 3" Exhaust System (De-Cat) 1 £957.98 £957.98
RCMTBC RCM 3" Exhaust Fitting Kit 1 £54.22 £54.22
SPE808 Turbosmart Dump Valve 1 £237.57 £237.57
SGA119 Dump Valve Gasket 1 £11.47 £11.47
SENCO69 Cosworth Panel Filter 1 £29.99 £29.99
ECUTEK ECUTEK custom remap inc licence 1 £595.00 £595.00
Labour RCM Workshop Labour 5 £55.00 £275.00

TOTAL PARTS AND LABOUR £2,286.23

VAT @ 20% £457.25

TOTAL £2,743.48

Project Total £12,960.53