LUCKO

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Muhammad was a peado

joz8968

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lol

97TURBO

this.......
There is no sitting around a table going to sort this out. If people want to dress it up as "we are no better than them" then so be it. Its time to quit messing about and lets send in the full force. Otherwise these videos will be a weekly event.

hodgy0_2

the pope believes we are already in WWIII

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29190890

joz8968

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That's the reason why I 'ironised' it by wrapping it in single quotation marks.

hodgy0_2

Apologies, its been a long weekend - lol

jonc

I'm not defending Blair/Bush, but to be fair, Islamic terrorists instigated the "war on terror" by killing 3000 US citizens on September 11 2001. Sure Blair/Bush heavy handed foreign policy did nothing to diffuse situation but even they could not have foreseen what effect their policies could have some 13 years later. Fanaticism has always existed as did their hatred of the west before Blair/Bush.

neil-h

Surely it's the fault of those who choose to misinterpret his words/actions? You can lead a horse to water and what not.

As for the latter, that's a pretty big assumption on the concept of reality. One that could quite easily be wrong.

JTaylor

Which of Mohammad's words and actions are IS misinterpreting?

neil-h

Having never read the Quran, I couldn't say.

JTaylor

Then perhaps you should reserve judgement. Have a read of Sura 9:5.

Maz

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http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm

joz8968

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I blame Louish Walss.

JTaylor

Portrays Mohammad as a warlord, which he was. He established his caliphate largely by the sword and IS (along with dozens of other imitators of Mohammad) are attempting, quite successfully, to re-establish that caliphate. The evidence is incontrovertible.

Maz

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They need wiping out then. It's always the nut jobs that fill the power vacuum.

JTaylor

I'm pessimistic, Maz. I think as Joz said earlier it's unwinnable. We and our allies in the region (and in Africa and around the globe) can't simply let the caliphate expand, but if we do 'attack the caliphate', al-Baghdadi will be able to sell the notion of defensive jihad to would-be recruits and indeed legitimately go about far-jihad in the future. We're in a zugzwang.

RA Dunk

I'll have one of them as well, can I have chips with mine though?

hodgy0_2

An old chess term

daveyj

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Those horrible attacks were allegedly in direct response the original Gulf war sadly with Bush Senior and Storming Norm Shwarzkoff at the helm.....plus us lot tagging along. As I was lead to believe reading up on it way back when (prior to even having a home PC and disl up) Bin Laden's original beef was with US Military being in Saudi Arabia which he and his lot saw as being on their holy land. They tried to bomb the Trade Centre first and failed in the 90s and it's simply escalated on (well, in my lifetime at least). Syria/Iran/Turkey have all been fiercly at each other's throats since the days the region was known as Mesopotania and Persia. It'll be that way long after we're distant forks on our family trees too.

Those videos aren't nearly as disturbing as the Ken Bigley one. Better polished yes, but actually seeing a live human ruined like that is something that I wish I could un-see frankly.

What bothers me more than anything else is the total lack of respect of citizens of our own country. Things really have to be quite shallow here that UK citizens are so disillusioned with right and wrong that they up sticks and travel abroad to kill Brits, amongst others. I get that power is alluring but if yo were that proud of your new-found power status brandishing guns and knives you'd show your face no?

I find these people fascinating but utterly contradictory and baffling at the same time. Their videos of killing innocents just isn't really propganda enough to make a difference. Behead a living legend like the Fonz however and you might find people genuinely moved to do something! Sad but possibly true! Brainwash masses to buy into celebrity culture and all you are left with are people giving a stuff about ice bucket challenges, dogs dying and oh celebrities.

It's great chit chatting about this stuff as others views are always interesting, but what really is going to happen when we don't "negotiate with terrorists"? I'd start negotiating as Plan A isn't working........

Turbohot

I would have ordered Plawn Clackels with mine, meself.

daveyj

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What's sadder still is we then subsequently buy into the marketing of film and TV which makes money from attrocities. We really are a bent species when you look at the ugly big picture. I'll stick with cooking, walking my dogs, ragging my Honda and hoping that I avoid pissing folk off as best as possible.

No where did I crawl out from? Scuttles back!

dpb

Mad Hatters

Kwik

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Ha ha

f1_fan

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Pretty much sums things up, a very well observed post

daveyj

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Thanks man. Yesterday's Ritalin was clearly firing on all four. Which is nice. (In my best Fast Show impression).

I try and read all the different newspapers and watch news at night to wind down to try and have a balanced view. Sometimes the bigger picture is easier to deal with than the simpler intricacies of your own life! Unfortunately it just serves to wind me up as the solutions seem simple to the person on the street. I actually think taxi drivers and hairdressers must rule the world. I try and then avoid the news for a simple life but always end up back there as an antidote to the mind-numbing twaddle that is free-to-air tv. It's sad that I have to pay a premium on top of a premium to get informative tv presented by people with life-coloured teeth. (We have been at the foot of a valley for 3 years so Freeview has been limited to BBC4 as a form of escape). I've discovered Judas Priest, amongst others. A bit late, yes, but at least I'm now aware of them.

One programme on C4 I watched with interest (some may view as a well-timed piece of job advertising) was Commando School. I watched, with a frown, an Egyptian National get trained, up to a point, and subsequently quit before the pass out stage (insert witticism here). I can't help but think that certain areas of our society should remain nationalist. The guy looked genuine and I am not implying he is anything other than that........but when you consider that Jihadist John (I mean really, what next, action figures and a cartoon show?!) is allegedly the son of an Egyptian-born militant, some things shouldn't be exported and military skill is one such thing in my opinion. No doubt the kid is under surveillance for life but what use is that? People allegedly under surveillance have blown up buses and tube trains. It's like being aware of a hungry Lion sat in the corner of your living room, ignoring it, then complaining that it's eaten your dog.

I don't know, I've got problems I can solve, like today's crossword for example. Attainable target with measurable progress and a defined end. First world problems.

I feel very sorry for those guys going out the way that they did, but then I also feel sorry for other "collateral damage" aka innocent human beings dying in drone strikes. It's properly shameful but I don't feel that I can begin to try fixing it despite thinking I know how to. The killers always look so devoid of life (you know, black of eye) almost like they are waxworks of themselves. Whilst I think we should negotiate with these people, I do wonder if we actually can.