Maz

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daviee

I think if you are on a B road why cant you go single file and have a conversation with each other and have a bit of respect for other road users most of these roads you can hear a pin drop, in say a built up area a 30 limit I don't mind two a breast, but on a B road, 60 limit its dangerous. I don't expect to scrub off 50 mph of my speed to pass two cyclist having a eye to eye conversation go down the pub for that.

andy97

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So what you are saying that you have priority over other road users? You should read highway code 163, 206 and maybe the rest of it to remind you that the use of the road is not for your sole benefit!

daviee

As I said PROPER cyclist training. but most I come across are coasting at 5mph two abreast having pub talk on the road. I have seen two jogger single file on raods with no pavement going faster I give them the respect as said above respect to fellow road users. NOT WHAT IS LEGAL

andy97

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What point are you making, both are legal, you are deciding which is satisfactory to you not the prescribed law. Please go read the highway code I suggested it will help you understand.

Paben

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At sea, sail has precedence over steam but only an idiotic yachtsman would take on an oil tanker to prove the point. Similarly it's no use waving the Highway Code as you and your bike disappear under the wheels of a fast moving car on a B road. Dying in the right is a foolish demonstration of the law.

daviee

I know the highway code well enough its a code of practice guides not always law, the point I am making is LEGAL AND MORAL that's what's wrong with this country, because its legal you don't need to flaunt it. I have manners and morals and respect, I was brought up treat other the way you expect to be treated, if you and your burd want to meander all over the road at walking pace telling each other how good you look in your shorts well, do I need to tell you are a ignorant c*nt and within the law ? or will you eventually work it out ?

davyboy

How important is your journey that you can't accept a 10 or 20 seconds delay? And that is all it is.

Very few cyclists are going 5mph 2 a breast...maybe up a 15% incline.

ALi-B

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Point to note: Highway code won't stop one getting killed or severely injured by obeying/enforcing one's rights on the road though.

The use of common sense and self-preservation, however, will.


In the same way a car driver doesn't argue with a 40tonne laden truck...even if the car has right of way.

davyboy

..and the driver that is in such a hurry that his journey can't be delayed 20 seconds will be on a man slaughter charge.

Paben

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And another cyclist will be dead

ALi-B

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...Yeah, but you're dead....

davyboy

OK, well if you can live with that, you carry on with your super important 20 second time saving.

jaygsi

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I took a cycling proficiency test and was told you should never cycle side by side by the instructor, it bugs me when cyclists do it

https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclist...rview-59-to-71

davyboy

How dare the cyclist 'block' the road for the 'drivers'

ALi-B

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That's the point; A person shouldn't rely on others to keep them out of harm's way.


What's the old joke about the chap in the flood? God will save me he boasted...A boat came, He waved it away saying "No, God will save me", helicopter came, again, "No thanks God will save me". The flood came, he drowned. In heaven he asked God why he didn't save him. God retorted..."I sent you a boat and a f**king helicopter...what more did you want?

So yeah, don't rely on God to keep you safe either....

jaygsi

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You should

keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
keep both feet on the pedals
never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
not ride close behind another vehicle
not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one. It is recommended that a bell be fitted.

davyboy

I really don't get how you can blame a cyclist for not breaking any laws. Your journey is really not going to be delays by any tangible amount.

Why do you not get annoyed by queuing traffic at a roundabout? Getting to traffic lights as they turn red? A lorry doing 40 on a single lane carriage way? The impact is minimal, but car drivers just keep bleating about it.

ALi-B

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I blame the individual for not taking some self-presevation.

Like those that hang in the blind spots of HGVs (that includes cars by the way). Not against the law though, is it?

Paben

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We're flogging a dead horse here boys; this guy's going to keep coming back until we all fall asleep from boredom!

davyboy

Driver should do a lot of things too.

Not screw about with random things stuck to window

Not mess about on mobile phones

Not program sat nav

Not do make up/shave/read/discipline children by turning around

I drive more than I ride, and I am far more disappointed with drivers randomly weaving round whilst looking down at there thighs/knee caps.

daviee

Cyclist that are single file are like a puddle at the side of the road you would just cross the line and give them five feet and pass, two abreast on a 60 limit you would have to go right over the wrong side of the road god forbid you might meet two cyclist two a breast on the other side of the road the death could have been avoided no ? its not the motorist fault that single file roads are 60mph limits. Rural roads are the most dangerous roads in the UK cycling two abreast on them is asking for trouble highway code or not that also states that you can drive at 60mph on a single carriage way. I drive fully aware that a sheep is as dumb as two abreast cyclist and could well be on the middle of the road.

jaygsi

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I'm just pointing out what the law says, i've never used my horn against a cyclist or made any aggressive moves, as i rid a bike myself and it would be intimidating.

davyboy

Incredible stupidness.

Or, and this might be difficult to get your brain around, but stay with me....you could delay your overtake until you were sure it was safe.

If that's to complicated for you to understand, have a sleep and come back to it in the morning.

davyboy

Or until you realise that your journey isn't actually that important that you can't be delayed by 30 seconds or whatever.

jaygsi

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Riding 2 abreast is against the law while on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends

So is driving on a mobile, which cheeses me off

Overtaking on double white lines

Driving while applying your makeup

But if your doing these things your risking the chance of annoying other drivers, not that they have a right to do anything, but your taking that risk.

daviee

Rural roads are the most dangerous in the UK full of blind bends hidden crests tree lined etc but are still 60mph limits can you get you brain round this its about minimising risks how hard is it to cycle single file that my point I don't need a sleep to see its dangerous and legal do you ?

davyboy

Incorrect. No it isn't. It's legal.

Clear?

davyboy

You could easily minimise risks yourself by going slower?

daviee

Dangerous and legal.

Clear ?