cycling 2 abreast
30 September 2014, 10:57 AM
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it is just one of those things you have to get over as a parent
you teach them about road safety, you make sure their bike is road worthy and they are wearing a helmet, you tell them to be careful
and you watch them set off, what is the alternative, do you say they can't, do you say you have to be driven everywhere because it not safe
and then you get the "billy big bollox *** jocky's" who think (and drive like) the road belongs to them
you teach them about road safety, you make sure their bike is road worthy and they are wearing a helmet, you tell them to be careful
and you watch them set off, what is the alternative, do you say they can't, do you say you have to be driven everywhere because it not safe
and then you get the "billy big bollox *** jocky's" who think (and drive like) the road belongs to them
30 September 2014, 11:08 AM
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When cyclists quote the law about cycling I can't help but laugh! Talk about cherry picking!
Only when they start actually following road laws will I take them seriously when it comes to telling me how to drive.
Only when they start actually following road laws will I take them seriously when it comes to telling me how to drive.
30 September 2014, 11:32 AM
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Motorists need to realise that they don't own the road, they have to share it with other road users, from cyclists to horse riders to pedestrians.
Having done my fair share of cycling in the past, I can tell you that ignorant or aggressive motorists are a much bigger problem. How many people die at the hands of bad cyclists per year compared to motorists?
People get in cars and suddenly they have ***** the size of ostrich eggs. It would be tiring if it wasn't such a hazard to life.
30 September 2014, 11:38 AM
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Nice generalisation. Cyclists are not members of some monolithic organisation you know? Just 'cos some cyclists are idiots doesn't mean they speak for the rest.
Motorists need to realise that they don't own the road, they have to share it with other road users, from cyclists to horse riders to pedestrians.
Having done my fair share of cycling in the past, I can tell you that ignorant or aggressive motorists are a much bigger problem. How many people die at the hands of bad cyclists per year compared to motorists?
People get in cars and suddenly they have ***** the size of ostrich eggs. It would be tiring if it wasn't such a hazard to life.
Motorists need to realise that they don't own the road, they have to share it with other road users, from cyclists to horse riders to pedestrians.
Having done my fair share of cycling in the past, I can tell you that ignorant or aggressive motorists are a much bigger problem. How many people die at the hands of bad cyclists per year compared to motorists?
People get in cars and suddenly they have ***** the size of ostrich eggs. It would be tiring if it wasn't such a hazard to life.
Yes some drivers need to be more considerate but cyclists also need to not put themselves in dangerous situations.
30 September 2014, 11:44 AM
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You think it's dangerous, the cyclist thinks is safer.
You are bleating about danger, because you don't want to say I hate slowing down.
You are bleating about danger, because you don't want to say I hate slowing down.
30 September 2014, 11:53 AM
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running lights
weaving in and out of traffic
not using hand signals
no lights
not using cycle lanes
using the pavement instead of stopping
At least with a car you have to pass a test, I don't think schools even teach cycling proficiency anymore so there are a lot of people out there that have not got a clue how to use a bike on the road, which is really sad. Perhaps if they did more motorists would remember from doing cycling proficiency to leave room when overtaking
30 September 2014, 11:58 AM
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30 September 2014, 12:03 PM
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Actually buddy I was referring to what I have witnessed outside the car on my own bike.
running lights
weaving in and out of traffic
not using hand signals
no lights
not using cycle lanes
using the pavement instead of stopping
At least with a car you have to pass a test, I don't think schools even teach cycling proficiency anymore so there are a lot of people out there that have not got a clue how to use a bike on the road, which is really sad. Perhaps if they did more motorists would remember from doing cycling proficiency to leave room when overtaking
running lights
weaving in and out of traffic
not using hand signals
no lights
not using cycle lanes
using the pavement instead of stopping
At least with a car you have to pass a test, I don't think schools even teach cycling proficiency anymore so there are a lot of people out there that have not got a clue how to use a bike on the road, which is really sad. Perhaps if they did more motorists would remember from doing cycling proficiency to leave room when overtaking
30 September 2014, 12:31 PM
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If I said that all swans need to be white, it would not logically imply that I was saying that all swans were not white at the moment, hence I was not making a generalisation by saying that motorists need to realise something. 
Nor was I making a generalisation by saying that "People get in cars and suddenly they have ***** the size of ostrich eggs", unless you think that some of the 'entities' getting into cars are not people?
Nor was I making a generalisation by saying that "People get in cars and suddenly they have ***** the size of ostrich eggs", unless you think that some of the 'entities' getting into cars are not people?
30 September 2014, 12:52 PM
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I don't like 2 a breast as I think they have the choice to make them selves narrower by riding singlely, it would be safer and more considerate for the drivers as people have been bleating on about being considerate to cyclists. The point of horses, tractors ect making you go into the other lane doesn't really compare as they can't physically make themselves smaller.
I think everyone has the right to use the road but all sides need to be considerate.
I think everyone has the right to use the road but all sides need to be considerate.
30 September 2014, 01:00 PM
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Why would it be safer?
Why to they have to be more considerate to the driver?
So far, as I understand things.
If the cyclist rides 2 abreast:
Drivers view.
Impact on cyclist. Death or serious injury.
Impact on driver. He had to slow down for a bit.
Cyclist view:
Impact on cyclist. Driver may have to slow down and plan his overtake.
Impact on driver. He had to slow down for a bit.
Why to they have to be more considerate to the driver?
So far, as I understand things.
If the cyclist rides 2 abreast:
Drivers view.
Impact on cyclist. Death or serious injury.
Impact on driver. He had to slow down for a bit.
Cyclist view:
Impact on cyclist. Driver may have to slow down and plan his overtake.
Impact on driver. He had to slow down for a bit.
30 September 2014, 01:08 PM
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I don't like 2 a breast as I think they have the choice to make them selves narrower by riding singlely, it would be safer and more considerate for the drivers as people have been bleating on about being considerate to cyclists. The point of horses, tractors ect making you go into the other lane doesn't really compare as they can't physically make themselves smaller.
I think everyone has the right to use the road but all sides need to be considerate.
I think everyone has the right to use the road but all sides need to be considerate.
1 horses
2 tractors
3 presumably walkers/runners
4 motor scooter invalid carriage
5 but not cyclist because they could be made narrower so you can squeeze by.
I am correct with the above?
It is known that riding in pairs abreast is safer because for the sole reason drivers are not tempted to make a close pass whilst trying to stay on the left side of the road.
Making motorist think about an overtake than maintaining a constant speed whilst squeezing by is safer for the cyclist. It only holds up a motorist only for a few seconds.
30 September 2014, 01:26 PM
#105
So you are saying that you are willing to move into the other lane to overtake
1 horses
2 tractors
3 presumably walkers/runners
4 motor scooter invalid carriage
5 but not cyclist because they could be made narrower so you can squeeze by.
I am correct with the above?
It is known that riding in pairs abreast is safer because for the sole reason drivers are not tempted to make a close pass whilst trying to stay on the left side of the road.
Making motorist think about an overtake than maintaining a constant speed whilst squeezing by is safer for the cyclist. It only holds up a motorist only for a few seconds.
1 horses
2 tractors
3 presumably walkers/runners
4 motor scooter invalid carriage
5 but not cyclist because they could be made narrower so you can squeeze by.
I am correct with the above?
It is known that riding in pairs abreast is safer because for the sole reason drivers are not tempted to make a close pass whilst trying to stay on the left side of the road.
Making motorist think about an overtake than maintaining a constant speed whilst squeezing by is safer for the cyclist. It only holds up a motorist only for a few seconds.
Plus see how the cyclist seem irate I was just giving an opinion nowhere did I say oh for gods sake damn cyclist have to slow down and lose 20 seconds!
30 September 2014, 01:32 PM
#106
It's not a 20 second period stuck behind a cyclist though is it, on a busy road it can be far longer. You find a gap of oncoming traffic, manage to negotiate past the cyclist, then further up the road get to a red light where the cyclist you've been following for the last mile just glides on by, and often straight through the red light. Repeat.
Drivers and cyclists will never get on, just accept it.
Drivers and cyclists will never get on, just accept it.
30 September 2014, 04:01 PM
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It's not just tolerance though, I'm sure in Holland they've got a doctrine of 'strict liability' concerning motor vehicles. Basically in an incident between a car and a bicycle the car driver is presumed guilty unless it can be proven otherwise. This makes motorists a lot more cautious and pro active and affords cyclists protection.
30 September 2014, 04:35 PM
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The cities in Australia were also really good.
30 September 2014, 04:50 PM
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60 mph may be the highest legal speed for a partular stretch of road, but it is simply that, the highest speed the law allows you to travel at. Its not a target.
Irrespective of the speed limit, you should always drive in accordance with the conditions, road surface, visibility, line of sight, etc.
Just because you are travelling at less than 60 in a 60 doesn't absolve you from responsibility. Not in the slightest. If you drive like a tool at 40 mph in a 60 and kill someone you could still go to jail.
Cyclists often can't win. Travel in single file and motorists will skim past often leaving insuffcient room. Travel two abreast and the **** who doesn't know that you are supposed to drive for the conditions might crash into the back of you.
Yes, cyclists need to be aware that they are not invincible and ride with care and consideration. But equally so do motorists.
30 September 2014, 10:01 PM
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The problem is as you state - the cyclist thinks it is safer, choosing to read only the first part of rule 66 of the highway code.
"never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends"
Rule 66 also states - "be considerate of other road users"
The best advice of all appears on page 1 - "The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."
01 October 2014, 12:18 AM
#114
So I have to slow to less than 60mph that is legal to avoid a hazard but you can cycle two abreast to create a hazard that is legal
Nor did I condone or for that matter condemn cyclists for riding two abreast. I can grasp why some may feel safer doing it, but I don't particularly have a strong view either way.
I supported the fact that, like it or not, other people use the road (legally) that may be construed as a hazard, an obstacle or an inconvenience and motorists should be mindful of that, rather than spout out about speed limits and 'why should I slow down?'. You made that comment above, which regardless of what you actually do, suggests you don't think you should have to slow down.
It is both legal to ride two abreast, and to travel at 60mph, like I asked earlier, who decides whose 'right' comes first?
Unlike you, and many others posting on this thread, I don't have a side. I'm neither a hater of cyclists or motorists.
01 October 2014, 10:16 AM
#115
Generally I've found that cyclist weave a lot more than any other slow vehicle so just the one is unpredictable let alone 2 a breast. I'm not bothered about slowing down as I don drive that fast anyway. Plus I like cycling, driving, kayaking not just a one trick pony
Plus see how the cyclist seem irate I was just giving an opinion nowhere did I say oh for gods sake damn cyclist have to slow down and lose 20 seconds!
Plus see how the cyclist seem irate I was just giving an opinion nowhere did I say oh for gods sake damn cyclist have to slow down and lose 20 seconds!
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Motorcyclists and cyclists may suddenly need to avoid uneven road surfaces and obstacles such as drain covers or oily, wet or icy patches on the road. Give them plenty of room and pay particular attention to any sudden change of direction they may have to make.
01 October 2014, 10:24 AM
#116
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Slowing down isnt a problem - roundabouts, heavy plant, tractors, traffic congestion, ramps, traffic calming islands, the words SLOW painted on the road, warning signs near schools, rain, snow, ice, low bright sunlight, junctions and hundreds of other things all cause me to slow down, it is a fact of driving, you can not travel from a - b at a constant speed.
The problem is as you state - the cyclist thinks it is safer, choosing to read only the first part of rule 66 of the highway code.
"never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends"
Rule 66 also states - "be considerate of other road users"
The best advice of all appears on page 1 - "The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."
The problem is as you state - the cyclist thinks it is safer, choosing to read only the first part of rule 66 of the highway code.
"never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends"
Rule 66 also states - "be considerate of other road users"
The best advice of all appears on page 1 - "The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."
Its therefore advisory and not a legal requirement.
Just for the record
01 October 2014, 10:41 AM
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The only issue I have with cyclists are the ***** who wear lycra, usual people going about their daily business tend to be courteous and polite and get the same back form motorists. The arguments always come from the kind of C¥nt who wears lycra and won't put his precious roadbike on the cycle path because it's too ' bumpy' . Deliberately driving a car over anyone in lycra will help save the world.
01 October 2014, 12:08 PM
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Motorcyclists and cyclists may suddenly need to avoid uneven road surfaces and obstacles such as drain covers or oily, wet or icy patches on the road. Give them plenty of room and pay particular attention to any sudden change of direction they may have to make.
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Motorcyclists and cyclists may suddenly need to avoid uneven road surfaces and obstacles such as drain covers or oily, wet or icy patches on the road. Give them plenty of room and pay particular attention to any sudden change of direction they may have to make.
01 October 2014, 01:02 PM
#119
I cycle most days and it pisses me off, in certain circumstances it is ok, just make it clear to motorists that when they approach that you make an effort to go back to single file, dont ride for miles holding them up.
Motorists, dont get irate straight away, almost like some are looking for something to get incensed about, chill, give them a minute and usually an opportunity to pass will present itself.
Motorists, dont get irate straight away, almost like some are looking for something to get incensed about, chill, give them a minute and usually an opportunity to pass will present itself.