UKIP on the march?
12 October 2014, 08:28 AM
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Will be interesting to see when it comes to voting day,who will stand by their word on voting UKIP.
At the moment I have a slight suspicion its a lot of smoke in the wind,people will get scared and go back to voting the same old lot back in.
12 October 2014, 11:56 AM
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They won't grow a pair,its not in their DNA.
Will be interesting to see when it comes to voting day,who will stand by their word on voting UKIP.
At the moment I have a slight suspicion its a lot of smoke in the wind,people will get scared and go back to voting the same old lot back in.
Will be interesting to see when it comes to voting day,who will stand by their word on voting UKIP.
At the moment I have a slight suspicion its a lot of smoke in the wind,people will get scared and go back to voting the same old lot back in.
12 October 2014, 12:10 PM
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...The interesting thing was the stories from around the country from other UKIPPers. There is massive support out there, it is more of a question of can UKIP organise its party resources out there in time in order to hoover up all the votes that are effectively waiting for them.
All this patronising talk of its just 1 MP blah blah, is completely behind the curve, amateur hour analysis. You need to get out there and talk to a wide range of people. This is more of the canary in the mine, a portent of things to come. The traditional parties are running round like headless chickens trying to spin it, but they're toast and they know it. Sure there wont be a UKIP Gvmt next time, but anyone saying there will be single digit UKIP MPs next May is out of touch. You heard it here first!
All this patronising talk of its just 1 MP blah blah, is completely behind the curve, amateur hour analysis. You need to get out there and talk to a wide range of people. This is more of the canary in the mine, a portent of things to come. The traditional parties are running round like headless chickens trying to spin it, but they're toast and they know it. Sure there wont be a UKIP Gvmt next time, but anyone saying there will be single digit UKIP MPs next May is out of touch. You heard it here first!
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1470385.ece
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-new-low.html
12 October 2014, 02:18 PM
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Yes I support them, but try to make it factual and link to sources and stories. I engage with reasonable debate. I don't spam the forums about it, but it is a fact that the rise of UKIP is a major political event for this country, and is all ready changing the political direction of this country (e.g. Camerons referendum pledge).Not sure why its "UKIP bollocks". Yes they're in the news a lot, so I can see why people might be getting tired of that, but otherwise they talk a lot of common sense
And Martin gets ridiculed for a lot more reasons than that!
12 October 2014, 02:26 PM
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Errr its a thread all about UKIP...... Yes I support them, but try to make it factual and link to sources and stories. I engage with reasonable debate. I don't spam the forums about it, but it is a fact that the rise of UKIP is a major political event for this country, and is all ready changing the political direction of this country (e.g. Camerons referendum pledge).
Not sure why its "UKIP bollocks". Yes they're in the news a lot, so I can see why people might be getting tired of that, but otherwise they talk a lot of common sense
And Martin gets ridiculed for a lot more reasons than that!
Yes I support them, but try to make it factual and link to sources and stories. I engage with reasonable debate. I don't spam the forums about it, but it is a fact that the rise of UKIP is a major political event for this country, and is all ready changing the political direction of this country (e.g. Camerons referendum pledge).Not sure why its "UKIP bollocks". Yes they're in the news a lot, so I can see why people might be getting tired of that, but otherwise they talk a lot of common sense
And Martin gets ridiculed for a lot more reasons than that!
12 October 2014, 02:29 PM
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People are sick of the same old,and are also fickle.
Lets just see if this is going to be a turning point.
I for one hope UKIP really shake things up,and get con and lab sh1ting their pants.
12 October 2014, 02:38 PM
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Thing is I'm still yet to see any reason why Farage and UKIP are any more believable/trust worthy than any of the old guard. A lot of the popularity seems to centre around the EU stance and Farages guise of being the working mans politician. No one seems to talk about many of there other policies.
12 October 2014, 02:41 PM
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Errr its a thread all about UKIP...... Yes I support them, but try to make it factual and link to sources and stories. I engage with reasonable debate. I don't spam the forums about it, but it is a fact that the rise of UKIP is a major political event for this country, and is all ready changing the political direction of this country (e.g. Camerons referendum pledge).
Not sure why its "UKIP bollocks". Yes they're in the news a lot, so I can see why people might be getting tired of that, but otherwise they talk a lot of common sense
And Martin gets ridiculed for a lot more reasons than that!
Yes I support them, but try to make it factual and link to sources and stories. I engage with reasonable debate. I don't spam the forums about it, but it is a fact that the rise of UKIP is a major political event for this country, and is all ready changing the political direction of this country (e.g. Camerons referendum pledge).Not sure why its "UKIP bollocks". Yes they're in the news a lot, so I can see why people might be getting tired of that, but otherwise they talk a lot of common sense
And Martin gets ridiculed for a lot more reasons than that!
They don't talk common sense (far from it). They deal in popularist wishful thinking. They can say whatever the hell they like because they're not going to actually have to deliver anything.
And as for being ridiculed; bring it on, you couldn't possibly debate with me because I will tear your argument to pieces.
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12 October 2014, 02:46 PM
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12 October 2014, 02:49 PM
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Warren, once more you are wide of the mark.
They don't talk common sense (far from it). They deal in popularist wishful thinking. They can say whatever the hell they like because they're not going to actually have to deliver anything.
And as for being ridiculed; bring it on, you couldn't possibly debate with me because I will tear your argument to pieces.
They don't talk common sense (far from it). They deal in popularist wishful thinking. They can say whatever the hell they like because they're not going to actually have to deliver anything.
And as for being ridiculed; bring it on, you couldn't possibly debate with me because I will tear your argument to pieces.
12 October 2014, 03:02 PM
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So you two are saying not to vote for change but keep voting for the big three who continually fail to keep promises and drag this country further into oblivion.
Yes that does indeed make sense...
Yes that does indeed make sense...
12 October 2014, 03:15 PM
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Depends on what you mean by 'oblivion'. Isolating the UK from an increasingly interdependent world would certainly speed up our journey to 'oblivion'. Therefore voting UKIP makes no sense whatsoever.
12 October 2014, 03:20 PM
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Let's see how those voters feel we finally see some UKIP policies on issues other than Europe and Immigration. I wonder how many will still vote for Thatcherite+ health, education, and social care policies.
12 October 2014, 03:46 PM
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Voting UKIP isn't going to bring change. It'll bring you the same old bollocks just wrapped up in a union jack waste coat with a pint in its hand. If you want change why not go and vote for someone random like the Greens, at least then you stand half a chance of seeing this change you so desperately want.
12 October 2014, 03:55 PM
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12 October 2014, 04:36 PM
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In 97 Tony Blair gets lots of votes and its a resounding endorsement. 2015, Nigel Farage gets lots of votes and its pandering and populist. You're elitist hypocrites, sneering at things you don't agree with because your arguments are failing and seen to be failing. Your time is up, people are sick of being sneered at, being told the right way to think, look where its got us.I have all ready pointed out how UKIP IS changing things (Camerons referendum for example). Labour is changing. Look at the parties flapping. They ARE a having an effect NOW
As for minority, I linked only a few hours ago showing they have 25% support compared to Labours 33%. Yes its less, but hardly insignificant, things keep going the way they are, some more defections, more last minute transparent policy bribes, and UKIP could be up there. Obviously I hope so.
12 October 2014, 05:37 PM
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"Pandering to", "populist". You do realise this is a democracy don't you, politicians are SUPPOSED to listen to the people and represent their views?! You are sneering at it, saying that that's a bad thing. That makes you anti-democratic. In 97 Tony Blair gets lots of votes and its a resounding endorsement. 2015, Nigel Farage gets lots of votes and its pandering and populist. You're elitist hypocrites, sneering at things you don't agree with because your arguments are failing and seen to be failing. Your time is up, people are sick of being sneered at, being told the right way to think, look where its got us.
I have all ready pointed out how UKIP IS changing things (Camerons referendum for example). Labour is changing. Look at the parties flapping. They ARE a having an effect NOW
As for minority, I linked only a few hours ago showing they have 25% support compared to Labours 33%. Yes its less, but hardly insignificant, things keep going the way they are, some more defections, more last minute transparent policy bribes, and UKIP could be up there. Obviously I hope so.
In 97 Tony Blair gets lots of votes and its a resounding endorsement. 2015, Nigel Farage gets lots of votes and its pandering and populist. You're elitist hypocrites, sneering at things you don't agree with because your arguments are failing and seen to be failing. Your time is up, people are sick of being sneered at, being told the right way to think, look where its got us.I have all ready pointed out how UKIP IS changing things (Camerons referendum for example). Labour is changing. Look at the parties flapping. They ARE a having an effect NOW
As for minority, I linked only a few hours ago showing they have 25% support compared to Labours 33%. Yes its less, but hardly insignificant, things keep going the way they are, some more defections, more last minute transparent policy bribes, and UKIP could be up there. Obviously I hope so.
As for the rest of your post, I like it. I don't like you're party and all of a sudden I'm an anti-democratic elitist.
12 October 2014, 05:54 PM
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12 October 2014, 05:57 PM
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12 October 2014, 06:33 PM
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Sorry, just so I can be absolutely sure you haven't unintentionally applied a double-negative here, or a positive when you meant a negative or vice-versa, you'd be opposed to the idea of a political party doing anything at all to protect its electors from the worst of the economic or political uncertainty that might be affecting people elsewhere in the world? Would you mind explaining why?
12 October 2014, 06:40 PM
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Sorry, just so I can be absolutely sure you haven't unintentionally applied a double-negative here, or a positive when you meant a negative or vice-versa, you'd be opposed to the idea of a political party doing anything at all to protect its electors from the worst of the economic or political uncertainty that might be affecting people elsewhere in the world? Would you mind explaining why?
Which party is offering that, and how exactly are they proposing to do this?
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"Pandering to", "populist". You do realise this is a democracy don't you, politicians are SUPPOSED to listen to the people and represent their views?! You are sneering at it, saying that that's a bad thing. That makes you anti-democratic. In 97 Tony Blair gets lots of votes and its a resounding endorsement. 2015, Nigel Farage gets lots of votes and its pandering and populist. You're elitist hypocrites, sneering at things you don't agree with because your arguments are failing and seen to be failing. Your time is up, people are sick of being sneered at, being told the right way to think, look where its got us.
I have all ready pointed out how UKIP IS changing things (Camerons referendum for example). Labour is changing. Look at the parties flapping. They ARE a having an effect NOW
As for minority, I linked only a few hours ago showing they have 25% support compared to Labours 33%. Yes its less, but hardly insignificant, things keep going the way they are, some more defections, more last minute transparent policy bribes, and UKIP could be up there. Obviously I hope so.
In 97 Tony Blair gets lots of votes and its a resounding endorsement. 2015, Nigel Farage gets lots of votes and its pandering and populist. You're elitist hypocrites, sneering at things you don't agree with because your arguments are failing and seen to be failing. Your time is up, people are sick of being sneered at, being told the right way to think, look where its got us.I have all ready pointed out how UKIP IS changing things (Camerons referendum for example). Labour is changing. Look at the parties flapping. They ARE a having an effect NOW
As for minority, I linked only a few hours ago showing they have 25% support compared to Labours 33%. Yes its less, but hardly insignificant, things keep going the way they are, some more defections, more last minute transparent policy bribes, and UKIP could be up there. Obviously I hope so.