UKIP on the march?
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The question would then be, who steps up? Boris, May, Osbourne?
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I see Cameron is making yet more promises he cannot keep about EU migration, but now we have to vote him in again before he will go to the EU and negotiate us a new deal which if course he won't. How do people not see through this charlatan?
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This whole debate beggars belief
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For exactly the same reason people like Warren lap up every word Nigel Farage says. It's because they like to believe their politician of choice has all the answers to all the problems.
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If anything they should be treated with a similar level of cynicism purely on the basis that politicians as a career group have a tendency to say what evers necessary to win a vote...
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You reckon? I really don't see where all this optimism about UKIP/Farage comes from, they're a complete unknown quantity with no reason to believe they are anymore honest than the rest.
If anything they should be treated with a similar level of cynicism purely on the basis that politicians as a career group have a tendency to say what evers necessary to win a vote...
If anything they should be treated with a similar level of cynicism purely on the basis that politicians as a career group have a tendency to say what evers necessary to win a vote...
Getting out of the failed EU project is clearly paramount to the success of the UK moving forward, and UKIP are after all the only party who will pull us out of that failed project.
f1_fan is absolutely right that Cameron just says exactly what he thinks people want to hear. He's just all talk. Ironically when he comes out all strong stating he'll get immigration under control or reform Human Rights laws the EU just slap him down and say "no you won't".
The country is paying billions for an extra layer of government by being in the EU. We need less government, not more.
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You reckon? I really don't see where all this optimism about UKIP/Farage comes from, they're a complete unknown quantity with no reason to believe they are anymore honest than the rest.
If anything they should be treated with a similar level of cynicism purely on the basis that politicians as a career group have a tendency to say what evers necessary to win a vote...
If anything they should be treated with a similar level of cynicism purely on the basis that politicians as a career group have a tendency to say what evers necessary to win a vote...
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The difference between UKIP and the others (referring to LibLabCon here) is they come across like they actually give a **** and genuinely want what's best for the country, rather than just wanting to stay in their jobs.
Getting out of the failed EU project is clearly paramount to the success of the UK moving forward, and UKIP are after all the only party who will pull us out of that failed project.
f1_fan is absolutely right that Cameron just says exactly what he thinks people want to hear. He's just all talk. Ironically when he comes out all strong stating he'll get immigration under control or reform Human Rights laws the EU just slap him down and say "no you won't".
The country is paying billions for an extra layer of government by being in the EU. We need less government, not more.
Getting out of the failed EU project is clearly paramount to the success of the UK moving forward, and UKIP are after all the only party who will pull us out of that failed project.
f1_fan is absolutely right that Cameron just says exactly what he thinks people want to hear. He's just all talk. Ironically when he comes out all strong stating he'll get immigration under control or reform Human Rights laws the EU just slap him down and say "no you won't".
The country is paying billions for an extra layer of government by being in the EU. We need less government, not more.
Also, i'd be intrigued to know by what definition the EU project has failed? It seems to be chugging along well enough from where i'mstood.
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UKIP lead in Rochester increases to 13%. Roll on Nov 20
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/526...-election-poll
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/526...-election-poll
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wow, the EU has just given a massive boost to UKIP and to the leave EU view.
I've always had the opinion that i dont know enough about the in's and out's of the membership (its not all about bold headlines) so stay as is, but even I'm having a hard time staying on the neutral line and not swaying to wards the leave.
Also find it rather 'well we didnt expect that' (add about 5 lorry loads of sarcasm), that france and germany get money back
I've always had the opinion that i dont know enough about the in's and out's of the membership (its not all about bold headlines) so stay as is, but even I'm having a hard time staying on the neutral line and not swaying to wards the leave.
Also find it rather 'well we didnt expect that' (add about 5 lorry loads of sarcasm), that france and germany get money back
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Ironically the UK has performed better than other EU countries party because we didn't join the euro and could control our own interest rates, so it's been a benefit to us by not being 'fully in' the EU. Moving forward we need to be FULLY out.
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