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Old 20 October 2014, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Martin - how do you justify the health tourism?

I don't mind immigrants at all (if they work and pay their way), but people holidaying just to use the NHS isn't acceptable.
I agree it isn't acceptable. What % of the NHS budget is going to health tourists?
Old 20 October 2014, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
I live next to one of the biggest airports in the UK. What do you think?
You need to slum it for a bit, preferably before the next general election.
I think you should not live next an airport if you're not happy there

What has living next to an airport got to do with it anyway?

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Old 20 October 2014, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I agree it isn't acceptable. What % of the NHS budget is going to health tourists?
Wouldn't have a clue, but locally at least it'd appear to be a fairly large % unfortunately.
Old 20 October 2014, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I think you should not live next an airport if you're not happy there What has living next to an airport got to do with it anyway?
Your right to vote should be revoked.
Old 20 October 2014, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Your right to vote should be revoked.
Because I don't choose to live by an airport?

Seems harsh
Old 20 October 2014, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Wouldn't have a clue, but locally at least it'd appear to be a fairly large % unfortunately.
And we're back to the Channel 4 report
Old 20 October 2014, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
And we're back to the Channel 4 report
I'm not an expert, I don't look at the reports or analyse the figures.
My experience is chatting to someone on the front line, who deals with these people day in, day out.

Sometimes speaking to the people with first hand experience can be more eye opening than reading stats that can be manipulated to suit the needs of whoever comes up with the figures.
Old 20 October 2014, 11:26 PM
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I'm sure that's true. However the ukip guy came up with the figure on the piece I saw , so
Old 21 October 2014, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
I'm not an expert, I don't look at the reports or analyse the figures. My experience is chatting to someone on the front line, who deals with these people day in, day out. Sometimes speaking to the people with first hand experience can be more eye opening than reading stats that can be manipulated to suit the needs of whoever comes up with the figures.
Well said Moley.

The NSR middle class agenda spouted on here sometimes is unreal, and they seem to think the working class are brain washed by The Sun and The Star rather than what we see each day. The express or the Gaurdian wouldn't have its own agenda!
How can any statistic based on people who aren't officially here be remotely accurate?
Old 21 October 2014, 08:16 AM
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Same with those in nice, well-paid SECURE jobs, whose jobs will never be taken by Eastern European immigrants.
For them, "It doesn't happen..."

But I can tell you it does.
Old 21 October 2014, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Your right to vote should be revoked.
How very democratic with you. 'His view doesn't align to mine so he shouldn''t be allowed to vote'
Old 21 October 2014, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
How very democratic with you. 'His view doesn't align to mine so he shouldn''t be allowed to vote'
His view doesn't align with reality.
Old 21 October 2014, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
His view doesn't align with reality.
Reality? LOL.

Whose reality...yours?

According to your reality 90% of immigrants are here for a free ride - even in Nigel Farages wettest of dreams he's doesn't imagine that

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Old 21 October 2014, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Reality? LOL.

Whose reality...yours?

According to your reality 90% of immigrants are here for a free ride - even in Nigel Farages wettest of dreams he's doesn't imagine that
According to some of the posts on hear it's not actually possible for UKIP to win the general election because there are so many immigrants in this country. Would be like turkeys voting for christmas.
Old 21 October 2014, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Reality? LOL. Whose reality...yours? According to your reality 90% of immigrants are here for a free ride - even in Nigel Farages wettest of dreams he's doesn't imagine that
I doubt he says it, doesn't mean it isn't actually happening.
Old 21 October 2014, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
According to some of the posts on hear it's not actually possible for UKIP to win the general election because there are so many immigrants in this country. Would be like turkeys voting for christmas.
So you think illegal immigrants actually register to vote?
Old 21 October 2014, 05:30 PM
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Yes agree I ahve just completed Sky Dive and made £2500 for PCRF which last year gave £4million to trials
Old 21 October 2014, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
So you think illegal immigrants actually register to vote?
So you think illegal immigrants forge an NI number to get nhs operations?
Old 21 October 2014, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
So you think illegal immigrants forge an NI number to get nhs operations?
Is a national insurance number even requested? It certainly hasn't ever been for me or any of my family.
Even if it was I can't imagine the NHS turning down a sick patient, this isn't the U.S.
An illegal immigrant that has a national insurance number isn't illegal. The same as an illegal wouldn't register to vote.

I see a chap everyday that has been in the UK for at least 2 years, he has just got a national insurance number. His girlfriend is pregnant.
Old 21 October 2014, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
So you think illegal immigrants actually register to vote?
See you've moved the argument on to ILLEGAL immigrants now.
I thought the debate was about legal migration
Old 21 October 2014, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Is a national insurance number even requested? It certainly hasn't ever been for me or any of my family.
Even if it was I can't imagine the NHS turning down a sick patient, this isn't the U.S.
An illegal immigrant that has a national insurance number isn't illegal. The same as an illegal wouldn't register to vote.

I see a chap everyday that has been in the UK for at least 2 years, he has just got a national insurance number. His girlfriend is pregnant.
You've been referred by your doctor! ( who probably knows you )


They treat you in an emergency in US , like here, but there you'll paying for the rest of your life

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Originally Posted by Kwik
So you think illegal immigrants actually register to vote?
Yup
Old 21 October 2014, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
See you've moved the argument on to ILLEGAL immigrants now. I thought the debate was about legal migration
Ok strictly legal migrants it is then.
What percentage of legal migrants voted in the last election?
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Yup
Then they wouldn't be illegal?
Old 21 October 2014, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Ok strictly legal migrants it is then.
What percentage of legal migrants voted in the last election?
They can't vote, not unless they become UK citizens
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Originally Posted by dpb
You've been referred by your doctor! ( who probably knows you ) They treat you in an emergency in US , like here, but there you'll paying for the rest of your life
You don't have to go to the doctors to be referred for an operation. I'd imagine the NHS would operate in an emergency, but there would be no direct debit set up and the patient would probably be on the next coach he unless being ill works in their advantage to be given UK citizenship.
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
They can't vote, not unless they become UK citizens
So you've screwed up Neil h's point.

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Originally Posted by Kwik
Then they wouldn't be illegal?
Course they would.
Old 21 October 2014, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
You don't have to go to the doctors to be referred for an operation. I'd imagine the NHS would operate in an emergency, but there would be no direct debit set up and the patient would probably be on the next coach he unless being ill works in their advantage to be given UK citizenship.
Now you are confusing migration with citizenship
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Course they would.
Not from outside the commonwealth.


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