Ditch,
Excuse my slightly tongue in cheek comment about Newages..... I couldn't resist. However you're 100% right. Even if you had a sub 3s capable car, the skill involved in achieving timed figures is another consideration, and should never be a given. It was probably why I shouldn't of bothered with anything that had more than 50bhp. The other 500bhp was wasted.

 

Shaun.
As I'm learning all the time, there are so many other considerations apart from power, which is something Johns success is testament to, from what I understand he's running his JDM daily with similar figures to yourself (possibly less) against all manner of stripped out monsters that have every power and handling mod known to man as well as major power to weight ratio advantage, yet still emerged victorious, which for a man that considers his skill level to be "Average amongst enthusiasts" just goes to show it has very little to do with the statistics.

Very canny indeed and I suspect next years grid will have a few more following his lead, strange how those at the top of the sport tend to be a little older.

 

Absolutely no mechanical sympathy, long enough gearing to hit 60 in second, sticky tyres, good surface and 550+ bhp

 

Fixed that for you.

 

I'm rooting for the underdog, come on the newage

 

I would suggest that John's driving ability is better than "average".

Another point worth noting is that peak power figures don't always tell the whole story (let's put handling set-ups to one side). It's about the area UNDER the cruve that counts, when having a powerplant that has the potential to be quick on the black stuff. John's set-up is very good in the low to mid-range area, with a vast amount of torque (compared to your normal 500bhp 2-2.1ltr set-ups). This enables John's car to be very quick/responsive out of bends on a sprint circuit. This was very similar to what my old SPEC C was like, which is why it did well on sprint circuits.

 

Money no object, forged ez36 cdb inserts, rotated hta3586 turbo, syvecs. And the other parts necessary to make it work.

Done......

 

I'm sure John was being modest when he described himself as average.

I have noticed that you often speak of the area under the curve, care to enlighten me.

Also do you know any of Johns spec and what power he's running?

 

A good launch is quite ECU dependent. Power aside, you will need Launch control and Flat shift to help. Torque control is also useful for repeatable launches.

Here is the ESL demo car hitting a 3 sec 60 (top of second gear).

This was done on skinny 205 section toyo 888s and a 1.6sec 60 foot time.

Car is a forged 2.0, stock location GT30, Eu 6 speed, 20% in tank meth and ESL Motorsport ECU. Cost 5k including the car to get it there.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDKnzQKJ0mo

Unfortunately the heads were lifting that day due to the ARP studs not coping so although it had just done 557hp at RCMs a few days before we were down on power on the day. It's also a lardy wagon with a 6 speed box so probs in the region of 1300kg, which isn't exactly a fighting weight.

 

Very impressive! But 5k for the car, a full forged build with reliable parts, the turbo, the ecu, mapping, dyno time, labour, I assume fuel pump, injectors etc, clutch? Tyres, Six speed box and parts? That's got to be deal of the Century!

 

Well if you buy good second hand parts it can get you far:P

 

Was actually a bit less than that as it was StanSs car that I bought for 5k and sold the GEMS ECU (I own ESL so ECU was FoC cheating I suppose but would still have made a profit). Sold the 20g for 500 and picked up the GT30 for the same. It even has AP 6 pots

 

Like some one has mentioned just do the same spec as AFP to another classic ra

 

Andy hits 60 in 1.5sec with a 1.2sec 60ft and he runs a highly modified EG33, not an EZ36. He is the fastest in the world but you don't need to install a 6 pot to do 0-60 in 3 sec, it's alot easier than that.

 

Agreed but for a daily driver an ez36 with dual avcs and the spool up and topend power of a hta 86, what a combination it could be

 

I only just beat SteveBT. A wins a win though.

 

I am looking to build from the ground up. So the engine I use is completely open.

I assume with the EZ36 i would have to replace the pistons, conrods etc anyway as they're not usually a turbo'd engine are they? The EG33 is like hens teeth, so not likely.

Would the EZ30 be any good?

I am new to this game so I could well be asking silly questions and if so I do apologise.

 

It's not just the engine you need to think about.

Suspension, brakes, gearbox, ECU etc etc, even if you're not thinking about chasing Andy F's 7 second time.

I was lucky enough to drive the Lateral Performace Banana at TOTB this year. I was only putting it on the trailer, but, I stalled it 3 times. The clutch on it was grabbier than a grabby thing.

You need to think about the whole package, not just the engine.

 

And £20k on a gearbox

 

Modena 6spd sequential is circa 15K

 

I can find eg33 if needed......send PM with offer:P

 

I appreciate the concern, but I am thinking about the big picture. The suspension and brakes go without saying. I'm just looking for a starting point. I'm looking to build this up bit by bit over some amount of time. Buying the engine and getting the work done to it is just the first of many steps.

I was under the impression that the 6 speed boxes were good for 600+ BHP? Obviously engine managment is another concern that can be dealt with at the last minute.

Getting the engine, box and turbo/turbos selected are the first steps. Everything else I'll sort bit by bit before the thing hits the road.

So after reading up, it appears the EZ30 isn't ideal as the pistons would need to be custom made? Whereas the EG33 WRX pistons fit without modification? Is this the same with the EZ36? I have also read that a twin turbo set up might be more effective on a 6 pot? Thoughts appreciated.

 

The ez36 has 92mm bores so same as 2litre cars so finding forged pistons for it will be no problem, rods are another story though as they use a weird offset rod im unsure of.

Twin turbo setup would be good but the lack of space could give you all kinds of issues for a daily driver

 

Bloody hell I hit 4 secs in my Newie WRX with just 300lbs of Torque and budget tyres full of mud on a damp track.

3 secs is one of the next targets. Unless I finally get a Golf.

 

like the golf you have swapped TWICE for in your trolling thread

cool story bro....you better get replying to yourself or mention me in more posts to try and get a reply (which you dont if you have noticed )

 

Don't you also need a donor 6 speed box to?

Still not £20k granted, but it ain't far off?

 

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like the golf you have swapped TWICE for in your trolling thread

cool story bro....you better get replying to yourself or mention me in more posts to try and get a reply (which you dont if you have noticed

 

I reckon my wagon does sub 4seconds! Fancying a Golf myself

 

Nowt wrong in waiting for the right car. Did I mention I did a quicker 0-60 foot than Arf's old 709bhp monster?



Hey Matt has your WRX ever been mistaken for an STI?

No Tommy, has yours?

 

Didn't know you had a thing for Jeanette Goldsmith.