I'll stick with what I said earlier.

 

Sioc, Maybe its had a Z4 ecu fitted so its got 400bhp and you dont need a remap. Also you give it a silly name its one of the fastest in the world

Least the people are ok, maybe the sun strip saved them

 

T-cut is your friend now

 

Foooook, i think you're right there. Looks to be a portion of the transmission tunnel still attached to the gearbox.

 

Irrespective of being told it isn't/wasn't a cut and shut......that's a fxxxing cut and shut! That or negligent mot repairs in that area. Not a chance a chassis is splitting clean in two like that.

 

Is the speed limit 40mph on that stretch of road (Fletchamstead Highway) or more ?

I'd be seriously concerned about my car's suspension and tyres if I aquaplaned off the road within the speed limit, carrying that amount of destructive (kinetic?) energy.

Anyway all's well that ends well for the people involved.

 

Being a firefighter I have seen many different types of road traffic accidents, but never have I seen the whole front end of a car ripped off like that! Ceratinly his lucky day!

 

It's a pretty straight bit of road, with several speed camera and traffic lights along the stretch. It turns to 50 or 60 as you get out of cov on the a45 toward b'ham but this happened within the 40 limit area.
Defo looks a bodge of a motor, luckily it wasn't any faster and the kids in the car were ok!

 

Yes - I thought it was in the 40mph zone.


So where I'm struggling, (as I'm not doubting what the guy said about the accident happening with the speed limit in the wet), is 'how' it happened to result in such a big impact.


The only other scenario I can think of is braking hard for one of the cameras and going into a spin, but he wasn't speeding, so that one is ruled out.

 

Wasn't speeding my ***, c'mon do you think we are all that feckin thick, like for real LOL

 

It does all seem a bit weird !

A few years back for a whole year I used to drive 3 hours each way in a hurry to Merthyr Tydfil 3 times a week. This was in my first Impreza Turbo and included the Heads of the Valleys road which was always wet or worse. I (luckily?) never had aquaplaning of any sort - even at above 40mph...

 

And I agree with you 100%!

 

Who examined that wreck and found it not to be a cut n shut?

 

Ditch finder tyres could have been a contributory factor. Look at the photos, the front tyres have different tred patterns!!

(Still looks likes a cut and shut!)

 

This!!

**** tyres on a performance car and you put you and your family in danger!!!

 

Nobody has noted the fact that that sump was done for and needed swapping for a new one... will be so much easier like that! May as well do the steering rack bushes while it's upside down too. On a serious note it literally has peeled the bulkhead off and snapped the chassis legs off. I want to know what it hit and at what angle? Crap tyres, speeding etc may all be the reason it crashed but the reason it fell apart is the real question!

 

Nah, wasn't a cut and shut . . . . . Previous owner said so

Coz that looks like the kind of car that someone bought brand new and kept for the last sixteen years so can vouch for its history!

 

that damage was caused at legal speeds in a 40 zone?

Honest

 

The car wasn't the same colour on the front which is a big clue !

 

Maybe the front coming away complete with engine and 'box is what saved their lives?

 

Not sure about the cut and shut, it's had 15 winters in the UK and I think we've all seen the state some of the very well cared for Classics get into rust wise.

I am however despite the mis-matched ditch finders still struggling to see how he managed to aquaplane spin and roll 5/6 times at 40mph.

 

I'm not convinced it's a cut and shut either, panels look the same colour and don't see the remains of any welds. Fair enough the pictures aren't the best. The rear strut has came away though, we all know that's a particularly vulnerable area for rot. Might have added to the roll once the car had actually left the road.

 

Why am I not surprised the Most retarded Subaru related club has been linked to a cut and shut turd being driven to fast and crashed on linglongs and then claiming none of the above happened.

 

Ain't that the truth.

 

I agree. The bulk head area is where alot of chassis sections intersect (front rails especially) and they are joint together by spot welds.

This car is well over ten years old and has plenty of oppertunity for salty water from our gritted roads to capillary creep between the joint and rust and weaken the spot welds.

This exactly what happens to 10yr old E46 BMWs - just at the rear instead - rust weakens the spot welds, force tears the weakened joint.

Tyres; as I said all along; why skimp on the most important part of the car? I even think the RE050s are a poo for the UKs damp roads.

 

I was out and about doing some shopping on monday in torrential rain driving between 40 and 60mph, on the odd occasion when I had to drive in the gutter on one side it pulled the steering ever so slightly but nothing major. I also tried to imagine by looking at the speed I was travelling when doing 40mph how on Earth I could roll 5/6 times if I clipped the curb side on.

All of this led me to the conclusion that it's just not possible at 40mph, I think the car would only just about make it onto it's roof. On the few occasions I made it up to 60mph there was no noticeable difference in the effect the water had on the steering.

In the end I came to the conclusion that to flip and roll the car 5/6 times I would need to be doing somewhere in the region of 80mph if not more.

Next time your out driving at 40mph look at the pace things go by at and try to imagine how the hell you'd roll 5/6 times, really just not possible.

 

... which led to my question about a 'conspiracy theory' to rule out - not sure exactly where it was, but I've seen people braking hard for the 40mph speed cameras on that stretch. In the wet on marginal tyres from speed ?

 

The "rolled 5 or 6 times" story is utter rubbish.

Not only is it not possible to roll a car that many times at 40mph (unless it's down a hill ofcourse) but the roof along with the A and B pillars look virtually untouched. If the car had rolled you would see signs of damage to those areas, and if it had rolled 5 or 6 times you would see significant damage to those areas.

My theory is the car was being driven very fast in poor conditions with linglong tyres. The driver may of hit some standing water or braked sharply causing him to lose control. He's then obviously hit something very hard like a tree or post.
It's possible it's a cut and shut but I'd imagine it's just a rotted out old classic owned by yet another helmet who can't drive and thinks stickers are "cool"....

 

MattyB1983
I would love the insurance report to read exactly like you've described!

 

This...

This too....

No idea, but he could have 'hit' one of those big sawmills in a comedy scene borrowed from 'Laurel and Hardy'.