JTaylor

No you don't, because I'm a theistic evolutionist which is a reasonable faith.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

But the conspiracy theorists can attempt to justify their position. Faith is not tangible evidence, just because YOU believe does not make it factual or true.

JTaylor

Nobody has provided me with sufficient evidence to disprove the existence of God as defined by theistic evolution. On the other hand, the evidence presented against 9/11 conspiracies is overwhelming.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

That is selective reasoning. The lack of understanding of the Universe's origins doesn't infer existence of a divine umpire. Your acceptance of an ideology that stems from an era where human knowledge and understanding was in it's infancy. Theoretically and logically science can challenge any evidence used to support religious belief.

JTaylor

Science doesn't answer infinite regress. And yes, of course I select my reasoning.

gary77

iTrader: (1)

i have never said he was head of security although i did read the stories saying he was , i do find it interesting that he was part of the company involved in the security though , and yes wirt walker is a distant relative , you havent comented on the full post i made which was that kuwam was also worth a mention when discussing sratesec, what are your thoughts on that , do you find anything interesting there .

for me it deserves investigation . unfortunatly i'm not that bothered and im not about to do a full scale investigation to uncover condemning evidance

i just find it all interesting and view it with an open mind

i also see the argument from your point of view , and i am not fixated on any one opinion

gary77

iTrader: (1)

makes sence for him to leave before the **** comes down, but anyway

i cant speak for anyone else but i can tell you my thoughts on it . first point is that to consider the conspiracy you first have to consider that the world doesnt work how you are led to believe . goverments aren't really in control so called "secret societies " are. members being people in powerfull positions , the bush family being one of them ,

the goverment and president are just a front , and in this country the pm is just a front , basically we are led to believe we live in a democrasy but whichever government is in charge the same **** would happen ,

now to make it clear im not saying i believe any of this but it is a theory , and a subject i find interesting.

i think i said it earlier i'm really just passing on what ive read online ,i dont expect to uncover real evidence online

hodgy0_2

Ok, so you confirm that is your only evidence re being a distant relative, so you can't put that "distance" into any context

Re Marvin Bush working for a security company, backed by oil rich middle eastern states

Here's the thing, do I find it amazing and sinister that the son of an ex director of the CIA and the president of the USA, the Oil man, George Bush, makes a career in the security business, leveraging his parents contacts, presumably making a shed load of "easy" money, much in the same way our very own Mark Thatcher did

No in a word - I find it absolutely unremarkable, in fact I would go so far as to say pretty likely

Now if you had come up with the fact that Marvin Bush went into landscape gardening, or maybe opened a homeopathic vegetarian bookshop, just south of sacramento

I would find that interesting

The the son of an ex director of the CIA going into the security business - not really

But tbh not really surprised you do

gary77

iTrader: (1)

so there is no point in having any kind of conversation about conspiracy theories with you , you have made your mind up . thats fine i get it

hodgy0_2

All I ask for is evidence, conspiracy theorist provide none

Carnut

I think about 20% of America's still believe that going to the moon was fake despite us being able to see things left behind on the moon.

Martin2005

Cognitive dissonance?

hodgy0_2

You seem to be trying to understand how we got to a state where the 1% own, give or take 50% of the global wealth - and by extension 99% of the power

You don't to need to explain that in terms of a vast hidden conspiracy, with the usual canard of a cabal of secret "banker Jews" and associated hangers on

stipete75

Haha, I needed cheering up this morning, thanks for that

gary77

iTrader: (1)

i've never tried to understand how we got to that position ,i'm not sure why you think i'm trying to understand that either,

and i haven't tried to explain it either .

but i guess that the same people with 99% of the power are the same people that are really in control of how the world works.

not the government

gary77

iTrader: (1)

i had to google that .

In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values

i'm not sure that describes me , because i have never had a solid belief in what happened on 9/11 , i have allways found all theories to hard to believe ,and there is more than one conspiracy theory , while watching any of the documentaries some of the ideas are easy ti dismiss others are less so .

bonesetter

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jonc

Looks fake to me.

Carnut

9/11 Debunked: Controlled Demolition Not Possible:

stipete75

Controlled demolition, highly possible, from experts in the field regarding explosives, controlled demolition.......the best in the world.

Carnut

That guys just a ****ing idiot, he's got no idea what would happen if you was to throw a big as plane into a building, my vid very simply explains what the reasons may be.


Plus everything in that vid has been explained already in this thread, we cant keep proving you wrong for you to just come back around with the same ****.

Geezer

Illuminati, NWO, symbols on dollar bills, dear God, what next, lizard aliens?

I've seen some rubbish im my time about 9/11, that ranks pretty high.

stipete75

Agreed, it's a very informative video regarding another viewpoint on the official report apart from the last minute and a half or so.

stipete75

There is no right or wrong! It's opinions!!!
How the hell have you proved me wrong? I haven't disproved your theories/opinions. It's logical opinions for both sides of the coin.
We will never learn decisive evidence in our lifetimes to say for certain who was wrong!

Why is the expert a ******* idiot? Why does your opinion hold more authority over this expert in his field?

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I'm sorry, but it absolutely is not "just opinions"! It would be bad enough if people were spouting the kind of nonsense that these "truthers" or whatever the hell it is they like to call themselves go in for, if it was all just a purely academic discussion about the physics of plane crashes and building structures. Unfortunately though it is not, and what we're actually talking about here is an attack in which close to 3000 people lost their lives, and as such it's deeply offensive to their memory to regurgitate this half-baked b*ll*cks incessantly when it's all been proved wrong dozens of times in dozens of different ways. If you're just too hard of thinking to understand that proof when you see it, well, tough poo-poo, but don't expect the rest of the world to hold back on calling you out for it.

jonc

Seems like a load of bollox to me and those in the interviews are quoted out of context. What controlled building demolition have you ever seen where demolition starts at the upper part of the building? I've only seen videos of controlled demolitions beginning from the bottom. But then again, I'm no demolition expert.

stipete75

Of course it's opinions, non of us were there, non of us saw what happened first hand, there is my opinion of what happened then there is every one else's opinion of what happened on 911.
This is an academic discussion, regarding explosives, regarding witness statements, expert opinions and so on.

My personal opinion is yes it was an inside job, an opinion I'm allowed to believe.
The official so called "independent "911 report in to what happened on that day is flawed massively IMO! In itself an injustice for those who died.

Many people sadly lost their lives that horrific day but even if there was just a 2% chance that the wrong parties have been blamed and punished and the real culprits get away Scott free then surely all avenues have to be walked to determine what really happened for the memory of all who lost their lives.
It doesn't make me a bad person for questioning the official story.

This is a debate on the events of 911 after all.

Ps. We all no that these government effectively controlled independent reports are flawed and full of **** to cover their own *****, just look at the Hutton report and chilcot enquiry.

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Wrong. There's what actually happened, and what cretinous idiots who believe anything that even bigger idiots tell them on the internet think happened. Opinions don't come into it.

There's nothing remotely academic about the sources you've been citing in this discussion.


What it makes you is a cretinous idiot, if you persist in doing so in the face of overwhelming evidence showing it's the only credible story.

stipete75

On the contrary......I think sir it's you who is the cretinous idiot!
Your personal insults and name calling within a public adult discussion proves this.
Very childish indeed.

Now mark, go and do what your here to do(and probably very good at) ............not asking questions and consuming............
Your country needs you to consume.























like a good little sheep, bah

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but it's not an insult to call someone an idiot if it's an accurate description of what they are.