tony de wonderful

IIRC a recent poll of young British Muslims revealed that 40% want sharia law.

Maz

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So 60% don't.

f1_fan

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No they weren't, you need to read beyond the Western propaganda machine.

f1_fan

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Poll conducted by the EDL?

Jamie

Killing the ideology In the heart will work ie troops the kurds are getting there.

tony de wonderful

That doesn't make 60% secularists. They may just not advocate Sharia law outside of Muslim lands, or they make be indifferent or apathetic.

Martin2005

Who were they killed by then?

jonc

Any "evidence" to suggest IS is developing chemical weapons is based purely suppostion; Syria had chemical weapons IS is in Syria. There is no concrete evidence proving that they have in possession the Syrian chemical stockpile, knowledge of handling such chemicals/weapons and the capability and the capacity to make active and deliver such weapons. I'm pretty sure the western intelligence services have more information than we do as to whether they have such weapons and their ability to use them. Without credible and concrete evidence I would err on the side of caution and continue monitoring IS activities rather that committ our forces and this country to yet another costly and lengthy invasion on the pretext that they might have chemical weapons.

Jamie

We know what they have the intel says no chemical weapons saying that it's not hard to make them.

Shaid

I have a solution that would work.

Everyone join ISIS.

I mean everyone, even Jamal Taylor (born again ****) and Tony De Wonderful (bra salesman) to join ISIS. Even WarrenD (lol @ him) and Maz (master of Taqiyya according to Jamal).

Then change it from the inside. You know how all the immigrants have ruined being British. We can all do the same to ISIS

Shaid

What wrong with that? If 40% want sharia law then they can create a party and follow the democratic process to change to sharia law. This also means anyone else who wants to oppose it can do so.

It is the democratic process, sometimes you might not agree with people who choose to use it. That's moronic behaviour on your part.

Devildog

There's a fine line between the democratic process and opression Shaid, especially when it comes to radically changing the culture of an entire country.

I say country because Scotland would never let that **** go down, and I doubt very much Northern Ireland would either. Can't speak for the Welsh.

Before you know it it will be Palestine all over again and English Christians will all be forced to live in Cornwall under sanction, having to smuggle in non halal meat.

If 40% of young muslims want sharia law they can all f*ck off and live somewhere else.

tony de wonderful

You'd have to change the constitution of a liberal democracy to go to Sharia law, since it violates all sorts of protections of minorities, separation of powers, separation of Church and state.

There is nothing to debate with people who see democracy as one vote once.

neil-h

I think we've already covered why that won't work

As much as I imagine that's fairly tongue in cheek, it's not a bad point.

Jamie

Shaid not sure what you are banging on about is that supposed to be funny?

T25 DOC

100% with you on this one fella

An0n0m0us

There is no supposition. Many of the military facilities in Northern Syria held stock piles of chemicals for use in the production of chemical weapons and those military facilities are now in the control of ISIS. They didn't suddenly evaporate as soon as ISIS took control of them. Their capacity to make use of those stock piles is dependant on the chemical weapons engineers they have working for them, one of whom was recently targetted and killed in a drone strike like I already said. They have these engineers working for them then they aren't playing chemistry sets with it are they? I think the drone strike targetting that one individual speaks enough about the concern the intelligence services have over what they know is happening on the chemical weapon front with ISIS.

Shaid

Again, you are undermining the diplomatic process again. All that bile you just spouted is knee jerk at best. All this 'I'm ard and you can **** off' gives you the credibility only a complete ****wit would be proud of.

Moving on...

Tell me... What do you know about sharia law?

If tomorrow I wanted to make law stating that only cars with engines over 2500cc were allowed on the M6 I could start a campaign and party towards it and equally everyone else could vote against it. This IS how democracy and voting works.

Blue by You

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I don't think anybody needs to know anything about Sharia law to know they want to be ruled by English Law Shaid.

Devildog

Shaid

Then why ****ing comment then?

Devildog

PS - and being quite blunt, you can take your Sharia Law and shove it up your ****.

According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.


Not quite the same as having to avoid the M6 in your 1.6 Focus, is it?

Martin2005

This is such a red herring.

Devildog

FFS Martin, its Hyperbole.

For one, the Cornish would NEVER let the English settle there en mass.

jonc

What Northern Syian chemical weapons facilities have been seized by IS? Do you have a source?

I stand by what I said, there is no evidence that IS has any credible chemical weapons capability. According to officials IS seized a chemical weapons facility northern Iraq last June and it that contained a stockpile of old,contaminated and difficult to move weapons that contained material that they believe not suitable to create a functional chemical weapon. The IS chemical engineer that was killed by a drone several hundreds of miles away in Mosul, Iraq, not Syria, was believed to be preparing chlorine gas bombs, nothing as deadly as sarin or other nerve agent or mustard gas. If IS do have these chemicals, then we need to see evidence first. The only people who are still using banned bombs and chemical attacks are Bashar al-Assad's forces where 330 Syrian civillians have been killed since the start of this year alone. But this has largely gone unnoticed with IS grabbing the headlines by the killing of Westerners.

lozgti1

still don't know how anyone could saw someones head off :-(

jonc

Decapitation is so last year, burning them in cages in the new thing to grab the headlines.

lozgti1

I know this is the burning thread 'just not really seen anything so horrific as in all their methods.

Funny how you can be religious and yet prepared to undertake such barbaric acts :-(

Shaid

Well done. I mean scholars spend decades traveling the world and learning about Sharia however all that has been a waste. They should have logged onto SN where they would find a lund who hides behind the name devildog who publicly demonstrates he has **** all knowledge hence why he thinks bollocks copied from some anti muslamic site is what sharia is all about. Well done you.

Shaid

I take it we aren't friends then

I'm see you edited your comment. I am not guilty by association. ISIS don't represent me, they are part of me so **** em.... And **** anyone who sees guilt by association too!