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Old 04 February 2015, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
PS - and being quite blunt, you can take your Sharia Law and shove it up your ****.

According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.


Not quite the same as having to avoid the M6 in your 1.6 Focus, is it?
This is my favourite.
A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim, but will get it for killing a Muslim.
Old 04 February 2015, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
This is my favourite.
A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim, but will get it for killing a Muslim.
Incorrect.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/laws_of_murder.htm

See item 6 for the correct answer.

If you want to learn about islam then do so through the correct channels not through bigoted articles.

If you couldn't care less then fine, however one should not spread falsehood
Old 04 February 2015, 06:14 PM
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Very interesting topic shaid are you muslim ?
Old 04 February 2015, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie
Very interesting topic shaid are you muslim ?
Sorry

I am
Old 04 February 2015, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Not disgusted by these events still then? I didn't say you represented them or vice versa.
I'm amazed that someone could try to find humour in a situation like this, especially as they are so tainted by some petty name calling in their own life.
Am I disgusted? What do you think?

Do you think the Palestinians never find any humour even thought they are terrorised daily? Do you think the Iraqis never found humour whilst their country was raped by a load of invaders?

You might see bullying as petty name calling however there are a million odd people out there who don't find it so petty.
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Incorrect.

http://www.answering-christianity.co..._of_murder.htm

See item 6 for the correct answer.

If you want to learn about islam then do so through the correct channels not through bigoted articles.

If you couldn't care less then fine, however one should not spread falsehood
My bad Shaid, no offence meant, admittedly I'm not clued up on sharia law, I found this on a quick google search.

I personally have no problem what so ever with Muslims and their laws, obviously so long as incorporating Sharia into British law doesn't happen.
Imo the MSM have a lot to answer for in regards to the "Muslim hate" plaguing the west.
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Originally Posted by stipete75
My bad Shaid, no offence meant, admittedly I'm not clued up on sharia law, I found this on a quick google search.

I personally have no problem what so ever with Muslims and their laws, obviously so long as incorporating Sharia into British law doesn't happen.
Imo the MSM have a lot to answer for in regards to the "Muslim hate" plaguing the west.
No offence taken or intended and to be fair I like it as it is. Okay we need some improvements over certain laws however there are much worse places to be. At least if you are poor in Britain you can still ultise the law and get justice.

Mehdi Hassan made a comment once in a speech at the Oxford Union. He stated there is no one book about sharia law. It really is a deep subject and incorporates a lot. I'm not clued up enough about it to lecture but I do know that a lot of what is spread is nothing more than hate.

Anyway back to ISIS now...

Ps - who is MSM?
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Originally Posted by Shaid
No offence taken or intended and to be fair I like it as it is. Okay we need some improvements over certain laws however there are much worse places to be. At least if you are poor in Britain you can still ultise the law and get justice.

Mehdi Hassan made a comment once in a speech at the Oxford Union. He stated there is no one book about sharia law. It really is a deep subject and incorporates a lot. I'm not clued up enough about it to lecture but I do know that a lot of what is spread is nothing more than hate.

Anyway back to ISIS now...

Ps - who is MSM?
MSM = mainstream media.
Old 04 February 2015, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
I don't know if you are disgusted. You never come across that way and instead often your first comments on these sorts of subjects seems to be **** taking and never a mention of condemning the animals involved. Instead they are often digs at the British.
Hence my comment the other day when you said you attempt to integrate, but I replied that you often point the finger at the Brits instead, and you've proven my point.

As for the 1 million people who don't find name calling petty, are you meaning British Muslims?.
Yes because only Birtish Muslims are called Paki, Wog, Honkey etc etc...!

So then... Where was my British Dig in this thread then?
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Ok, so racist taunts are more hurtful than being called fat, thin, short, spotty, lanky, ugly etc etc? - did I say that? Please stop making **** up.
If so, why?. Also if racist, or stereotypical taunts are so hurtful, why stereotype certain people yourself?
Your dig was about how immigrants had ruined being British.
Answer above and that was a dig? Really.... Must remember to tread on eggshells round you.
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Originally Posted by Kwik
So it's more than a million people then and not just about race or colour. So like just about everyone, you have been called names.

Again though, I'd ask why this has made you stereotype certain people?.
Okay boss

However the names called have been very apt. Surely even you cannot deny that.

I get the message you're still upset over another topic now grow the **** up and move on. If you cannot handle a difference of opinion then frankly you need to grow up! In life people will have differences of opinion to you, accept it and move on. I also note you challenge nobody else over their stereotypes do you? Only me! Then you wonder why I have filed you under the '****' categorie
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Yes because only Birtish Muslims are called Paki, Wog, Honkey etc etc...!

So then... Where was my British Dig in this thread then?
Honkey?
They must be the converts then.
Old 04 February 2015, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Which names, I'm not sure what you mean?.

I can handle a difference of opinion, do we have a difference of opinion over the OP? I'm disgusted over the actions of IS. I do genuinely hope you don't have a different opinion?

Stereotyping people is wrong in my opinion. Especially when the person doing it keeps crying about stereotyped themselves.
I love a stereotype, of all kinds.
Just remember to always have a sense of humour.
Old 04 February 2015, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwik
Which names, I'm not sure what you mean?.

I can handle a difference of opinion, do we have a difference of opinion over the OP? I'm disgusted over the actions of IS. I do genuinely hope you don't have a different opinion?

Stereotyping people is wrong in my opinion. Especially when the person doing it keeps crying about stereotyped themselves.
I think we both agree ISIS are *****. Actually I think they are ***** but you possibly consider them unsavory people.

I agree stereotyping is wrong. I will look out to see if you call up anyone else guilty of such a trait. If my expectation is wrong I will be very happy.
Old 04 February 2015, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie
Very interesting topic shaid are you muslim ?
He's 'not very religious' though.
Old 05 February 2015, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
What Northern Syian chemical weapons facilities have been seized by IS? Do you have a source?

I stand by what I said, there is no evidence that IS has any credible chemical weapons capability. According to officials IS seized a chemical weapons facility northern Iraq last June and it that contained a stockpile of old,contaminated and difficult to move weapons that contained material that they believe not suitable to create a functional chemical weapon. The IS chemical engineer that was killed by a drone several hundreds of miles away in Mosul, Iraq, not Syria, was believed to be preparing chlorine gas bombs, nothing as deadly as sarin or other nerve agent or mustard gas. If IS do have these chemicals, then we need to see evidence first. The only people who are still using banned bombs and chemical attacks are Bashar al-Assad's forces where 330 Syrian civillians have been killed since the start of this year alone. But this has largely gone unnoticed with IS grabbing the headlines by the killing of Westerners.
I didn't say they were chemical weapons facilities and nor have I claimed anywhere that ISIS have control of any chemical weapons facilities. If you were to read it properly you would see I said they have control over Bashad's chemical stockpiles held at military facilities across Northern Syria.

No there isn't any credible evidence they have functional chemical weapons and the means to deploy them but how do you think that credible evidence comes into being? Only through use of such a weapon can it actually be confirmed 100% that they have them. By then don't you think it's a little too late to question if they have them? You want to wait until they use chemical weapons before doing anything about it?

The fact they have the raw materials and have recruited chemical weapons engineers is clearly enough of a concern for the intelligence services to start using drone attacks to target these engineers. If they weren't a serious threat they wouldn't waste the resources targetting them.

With ISIS's track record on brutality and determination to cause the worst types of atrocities do you not think there's a very high probability that they are working towards producing chemical weapons? And whilst chlorine bombs may not be on the same level as sarin or mustard gas they are still lethal if made potent enough and lead to a horrific death for those it's used against.

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Old 05 February 2015, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
I didn't say they were chemical weapons facilities and nor have I claimed anywhere that ISIS have control of any chemical weapons facilities. If you were to read it properly you would see I said they have control over Bashad's chemical stockpiles held at military facilities across Northern Syria.

No there isn't any credible evidence they have functional chemical weapons and the means to deploy them but how do you think that credible evidence comes into being? Only through use of such a weapon can it actually be confirmed 100% that they have them. By then don't you think it's a little too late to question if they have them? You want to wait until they use chemical weapons before doing anything about it?

The fact they have the raw materials and have recruited chemical weapons engineers is clearly enough of a concern for the intelligence services to start using drone attacks to target these engineers. If they weren't a serious threat they wouldn't waste the resources targetting them.

With ISIS's track record on brutality and determination to cause the worst types of atrocities do you not think there's a very high probability that they are working towards producing chemical weapons? And whilst chlorine bombs may not be on the same level as sarin or mustard gas they are still lethal if made potent enough and lead to a horrific death for those it's used against.
Normally I disagree with most of what you say however you've hit the nail on the head. That is if MSM are to be believed. Difficult decisions ahead. If the powers to be let this one by and we find that tomorrow a chemical weapon has been used on a town somewhere then.... Well you know the rest.
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Well done. I mean scholars spend decades traveling the world and learning about Sharia however all that has been a waste. They should have logged onto SN where they would find a lund who hides behind the name devildog who publicly demonstrates he has **** all knowledge hence why he thinks bollocks copied from some anti muslamic site is what sharia is all about. Well done you.
Ok, Shaid. Before I revert to "who gives a f*ck about what you have to say", I'll give you this opportunity.

What part of that "bollocks" I admittedly cut and paste is, in fact, incorrect?

What you are catagorically failing to see is that the "democracy" argument you keep banging on about is only a valid one when it doesn't result in gross prejudices and inequalities. Perhaps you need to learn what democracy actually is.

Lets say UKIP get into power and hold a referrendum to deport all Muslims from the UK. Would you and all the other Muslims accept that and consider it fair just because 51% of people voting voted in favour of it?

I think not. Stop being such a persecuted hypocrite.
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Ok, Shaid. Before I revert to "who gives a f*ck about what you have to say", I'll give you this opportunity.

What part of that "bollocks" I admittedly cut and paste is, in fact, incorrect?

What you are catagorically failing to see is that the "democracy" argument you keep banging on about is only a valid one when it doesn't result in gross prejudices and inequalities. Perhaps you need to learn what democracy actually is.

Lets say UKIP get into power and hold a referrendum to deport all Muslims from the UK. Would you and all the other Muslims accept that and consider it fair just because 51% of people voting voted in favour of it?

I think not. Stop being such a persecuted hypocrite.
Well if the majority want that then i'll have to accept it is fair. It is the democratic process is it not. On the bright side it will start a new chapter in life and possibly move onto bigger and better things or worse.
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Well if the majority want that then i'll have to accept it is fair. It is the democratic process is it not. On the bright side it will start a new chapter in life and possibly move onto bigger and better things or worse.
I'm not sure people get your sarcasm and dry humour, I think l may
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Well if the majority want that then i'll have to accept it is fair. It is the democratic process is it not. On the bright side it will start a new chapter in life and possibly move onto bigger and better things or worse.

I'll ask again Shaid, as you avoided the question.

What part of that "bollocks" I admittedly cut and paste is, in fact, incorrect?
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Originally Posted by Devildog
I'll ask again Shaid, as you avoided the question.

What part of that "bollocks" I admittedly cut and paste is, in fact, incorrect?

Most of it. You want to learn about islam... Come over to gawaher.com and I'll be happy to debate. A subaru forum is not a place to learn of such things however I understand if you feel inadequate out of your comfort zone. It is a natural feeling. However please refrain from spreading lies, it makes you look rather daft.
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Originally Posted by Devildog
PS - and being quite blunt, you can take your Sharia Law and shove it up your ****.

According to the Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on.


Not quite the same as having to avoid the M6 in your 1.6 Focus, is it?

Oooooush!!....lol....and I wonder why people wouldnt want it in the UK...... ultimately anybody that wants this in the UK - I ask why on earth live in the UK in the first place...??
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Most of it. You want to learn about islam... Come over to gawaher.com and I'll be happy to debate. A subaru forum is not a place to learn of such things however I understand if you feel inadequate out of your comfort zone. It is a natural feeling. However please refrain from spreading lies, it makes you look rather daft.

Shaid, you called it "bollocks" so lets keep it here, rather than avoiding the issue yet again, shall we?

And as for coming over to the islamic forum, well thats hardly going to be neutral now, is it?

What exacty is it you are afraid of? Is it that some of your Sharia laws are, in fact, wholly unacceptable in the 21st century?

Line by line, what parts of that are factually incorrect, just so I can be "educated" and everyone here can be clear.
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I'd like to be educated -I whole heartedly admit I know little about it - so as Devildog has asked, please share - a better understanding could avoid any misjudgement/assumptions.

Surely this is a perfect opportunity.......

Devildog - just a quick thing - the forum that Shaid has suggested is as far as I'm aware is not just Islamic - you'll find many other religions within that forum - although I believe the majority are Islamic.

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Originally Posted by T25 DOC
I'd like to be educated -I whole heartedly admit I know little about it - so as Devildog has asked, please share - a better understanding could avoid any misjudgement/assumptions.

Surely this is a perfect opportunity.......

Devildog - just a quick thing - the forum that Shaid has suggested is as far as I'm aware is not just Islamic - you'll find many other religions within that forum - although I believe the majority are Islamic.
What you mean they tolerate infidels on that forum?
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
What you mean they tolerate infidels on that forum?
Appears so................................................ ......
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Shaid, you called it "bollocks" so lets keep it here, rather than avoiding the issue yet again, shall we?

And as for coming over to the islamic forum, well thats hardly going to be neutral now, is it?

What exacty is it you are afraid of? Is it that some of your Sharia laws are, in fact, wholly unacceptable in the 21st century?

Line by line, what parts of that are factually incorrect, just so I can be "educated" and everyone here can be clear.
Yes... Because it is a load of sensational Bollox!

I take offence to you stating 'some of YOUR sharia laws'. Just like I would take offence at Mullah Omar telling me 'some of YOUR British laws'.

Anyway do you think discussing sharia law on SN is nuetral? I think not.

As I said outside your comfort zone you are nothing. Do not accuse me of avoiding th subject. I will discuss on the appropriate platform. All you want to know is that most of what you posted is BS don't you. Easy enough. Now as I said If you wish to discuss this come over. End of really.
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
I didn't say they were chemical weapons facilities and nor have I claimed anywhere that ISIS have control of any chemical weapons facilities. If you were to read it properly you would see I said they have control over Bashad's chemical stockpiles held at military facilities across Northern Syria.

No there isn't any credible evidence they have functional chemical weapons and the means to deploy them but how do you think that credible evidence comes into being? Only through use of such a weapon can it actually be confirmed 100% that they have them. By then don't you think it's a little too late to question if they have them? You want to wait until they use chemical weapons before doing anything about it?

The fact they have the raw materials and have recruited chemical weapons engineers is clearly enough of a concern for the intelligence services to start using drone attacks to target these engineers. If they weren't a serious threat they wouldn't waste the resources targetting them.

With ISIS's track record on brutality and determination to cause the worst types of atrocities do you not think there's a very high probability that they are working towards producing chemical weapons? And whilst chlorine bombs may not be on the same level as sarin or mustard gas they are still lethal if made potent enough and lead to a horrific death for those it's used against.
I'm not going to get into an debate over symantics. Like I said, if there is evidence for the intelligence services to deem there is credible threat they will deal with it like they did recently with the drone strike. You seem so intent that despite this particular threat being effectively irradicated, you now want to see our country commit our forces to a ground incursion despite no credible evidence of them actually having successfully created a functional chemical weapon.

What evidence do you have that IS have in control a chemical stockpile or even a stockpile of chemicals to make the most deadly and banned of chemical weapons? Under the UN Security Council's resolution in 2013, much of Syria's most deadly stockpile and equipment have been decommissioned or taken out of Syria and has been confirmed by the OPCW at the end of 2014. Therefore I would question IS's ability to get hold of such deadly chemicals, and if any exist in Syria, they would be hidden in the most secure locations away from the prying eyes of the UN Security Council and the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. Unfortunately, because chlorine is not as deadly and not banned under international law, (Syria are still using this chemical on its own people), there will be no ground incursion to seize and destroy these weapons.

IS make no secret of the chemical weapons ambition and therefore all the intelligence agencies will be monitoring their activities very closely and will deal with the threat accordingly. The threat, however, as it currently stands is not enough to warrent a costly full scale military ground intervention that is likely to last several years. We tried that with the Talibans and Al-Qaeda and what did that acheive?
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Yes... Because it is a load of sensational Bollox!
For which we have to take YOUR word.

I've done some research over the past couple of hours and you'd never guess, whilst what I posted is at the extreme end of Sharia law, it exists.

I take offence to you stating 'some of YOUR sharia laws'. Just like I would take offence at Mullah Omar telling me 'some of YOUR British laws'.
Aww diddums. Deal with it. I coped fine without offence being called a ***** (very mature of you Shaid, by the way )

And thats quite a telling comment. I'd not be offended about being told "some of YOUR Britsih laws" because they are the laws under which I live and I am happy to embrace and accept them. What is there for a British person to be offended about Shaid? So tell us, why would that offend YOU as a British person?


Anyway do you think discussing sharia law on SN is nuetral? I think not.
Oh, yeah, and and discussing it on an Islamic (to be 100% accurate) forum is going to be?? Lets add "dilusional" to "persecuted" and "hypocrite".

As I said outside your comfort zone you are nothing. Do not accuse me of avoiding th subject. I will discuss on the appropriate platform. All you want to know is that most of what you posted is BS don't you. Easy enough. Now as I said If you wish to discuss this come over. End of really.
Your opinion of me is irrelevant Shaid. But I will accuse you of avoiding the subject for as long as you continue to do so. What I want to know is what parts of what I posted earlier are not part of Sharia Law?

Youve been given an opportunity to correct what you consider to be "sensasional bollox". Simply saying "most of it is BS" doesn't cut it.

You're avoiding the subject becase you cannot defend the indefensible.

"End of really" tells us all we need to know.

Last edited by Devildog; 05 February 2015 at 12:30 PM.


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