reef67

They are comparable in that they were both, supposedly, some kind of conduit for the word of God.
Their character and actions seem, in many but not all instances, to have been different, these may well have been because of the time, place and circumstances in which they lived.
Their philosophies were probably not that different...I don't know for sure. Neither does anybody alive today. We can only surmise any of this, you will find opposing views in countless numbers of 'authentic' sources.

legb4rsk

The point you seem to be missing(conveniently avoiding) is that ISIS are still using their religion as a reason.The west gave up barbaric religious practices years ago as have most religions around the world.

Why are you even trying to reason an argument for these idiots?

Osimabu

iTrader: (2)

Okay, perhaps I could have said 'mentally deranged' instead, but my point is that what we're witnessing is possibly the worst manifestation of uncontrolled youthful excess imaginable, encouraged by spurious religious justification.

JT - I'm afraid I don't know Mohammed's original aims (although he's good on Final Score...!), but I'll bet killing innocent people wasn't one of them.

dpb

Some great analysis.


I pretty much see it exactly that way Osimabu

- coupled with sheer poverty, in africa

reef67

You are joking aren't you...do you really think I'm trying to reason an argument for ISIS?

My only argument is that you shouldn't believe that all Muslims are warmongering, hate filled lunatics...that's just deluded.

JTaylor

The vast majority of Muslims are nominal and apathetic.

dpb

As are christians......

Ideal

JTaylor

http://news.sky.com/story/1428092/vi...ing-christians

hodgy0_2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31481792

"The Italian coastguard is conducting a major rescue operation to try to save more than 1,000 migrants in difficulty on the Mediterranean Sea."

it's hard, and they die

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31432544

"At least 300 migrants are thought to have drowned this week, while attempting to cross the Mediterranean Sea from North Africa"

please pray for them - even though I know no "religion" is involved , just poverty and the human desire to have a better life

hodgy0_2

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.php?p=11610453

Turbohot

True.

Thanks for bringing this to the attention here. What a dreadful news, and no religion needs to be involved in order to pray for them. Just some humanity will do. Hope the rescue operation saves as many as possible.

tony de wonderful

Good job they aren't drawing mohammed cartoons, then people might get really angry.

JTaylor

Yes, tragic and worthy of its own thread. I felt the beheadings of the Copts was appropriate for this thread. I've prayed for the migrants.

An0n0m0us

What i've found astonishing is the lack of media coverage on this story and any real abhorrence compared to the beheading of a single American or Britain at any one time in Iraq/Syria.

hodgy0_2

maybe - although I heard that the victims were poor migrant workers - so in a sense not so different

dpb

Prey to Save their souls presumably

Turbohot

No, it's not.

Also, over 2000 of them have been saved by the Italian rescuers.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31481792


From the above link:

So, I'm just wondering if they should be left to die horrific deaths in the sea instead. Imagine our foot in their shoe.

Do they keep on with these dangerous voyages because they're constantly being rescued, or are they being rescued because they keep drowning?

Italy may have better heart than other countries, at least for now, until they get exhausted as well. Globe as one is not the home for all, the countries have been fenced up long time ago.

The migrants shouldn't put their life in the danger like that, but when one is desperate or chasing a dream, one could or would go to any length, I suppose. Otherwise, why on earth would you leave your homeland and battle with the dreadful storms on a deadly sea to get to the shore on the other side.

lozgti1

Aren't they really pushing it now :-(

Turbohot

Egypt has kicked their @rse.


http://news.sky.com/story/1428223/eg...ter-beheadings

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/...dR?ocid=TSHDHP

dpb

Just one massive **** up since west decided to impose democracy on the whole area middle east I'm afraid

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

They were duped, TH.

They were trafficked and the traffickers made out that they were gonna catch big ships to mainland Europe. But they lied. So the migrants were just left in the dinghies, at the mercy of the Med.

Dispicible: as always, the people traffickers profiting on their desperation - in this case, to flee from their dangerous countries. And to hell with them, once the traffickers have their fees.


Reminds me of that awful, hard-to-watch scene in Amistad, where the slaves were thrown overboard, all chained together with a load of rocks at the very end of the chain.

lozgti1

Good on Egypt :-)

Our government just seems to say things like 'that was really really naughty that sawing of heads off' nothing else....so weak

dpb

are the united states still backing egypt , i guess this is extra provocation

JTaylor

Matthew 24:11

dpb

Which one is the false prophet here?