Raptorman

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I'm not the buyer no.

Matt has pretty much admitted he is a car breaker/parts dealer, now personally I could care less what he makes on the parts he sells but I think the law sees it differently.

We are only getting one side of the story from the 'dealer' who up until this thread had less than 10 posts on this forum.

Would I give the buyer his money back? I would have insisted he saw the engine in place and running and provided a receipt stating 'sold as seen' and also would have taken down the engine number(if I was the dealer).

But that's just me.

piehole1983

iTrader: (7)

This is all true and I appreciate your points. There's probably a few errors from both parties, like you suggested, insisting he seen/heard the engine running/driving would have been wise. Also, noting the engine number or marking it in some way would have been wise too. More and more people are trying to scam decent folk, whether they are the buyer or seller. I fear they are in a dead end these two.

As mentioned above, the engine was sold from the OPs house. In my opinion, that's a pretty positive sign the OP is genuine enough. Anyway, hopefully it gets sorted out before anything silly happens.

Raptorman

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Traders/dealers fall under the 'sale of goods' act which states


"The dealer is liable for faults with the vehicle - that mean it was not of satisfactory quality - that were present at the time it was sold even though they may only become apparent later on."

I suppose at the end of the day in a court it's one word against another.

piehole1983

iTrader: (7)

Isn't the knock very apparent straight away though? Or is it something that develops slowly?

Raptorman

iTrader: (1)

Alternatively, can the knock be hidden in some way?

Whatever, it's speculation.

piehole1983

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Haven't got a clue. All speculation indeed, I'm out!

Porka-matt

I feel the need to point out a few things here with all this dealer/breaker/trader etc..yes I break a few merley for the enjoyment of tinkering with cars and to keep mine on the road ..I've freely admitted that and that sometimes I make a few quid...that is all...if you go out and play poker or go to the casino and win a few quid that doesn't make you a proffesional gambler does it...as for any traders or breakers etc where exactly do they stand as they are simply not going to roll over every time they sell some thing and the buyer says its no good or they wouldn't be in business would they...I understand someone's point of make sure the buyer sees it running in the flesh but let's face it how many times does that really happen ..no ones going to turn down a sale because a potential buyer won't come and see it running before removal are they ..I gave the buyer that opportunity and as stated even posted a video clip..not much more I could possibly do...if I've had any doubt or seen reason with anyone who's bought any parts in the past I have simply refunded them but with this situation I see no other agenda then me being taken for a mug which I will not accept

ossett2k2

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Sold as seen.
caveat emptor.
Like you said,you gave him the option to hear it running,his tough luck mate,don't feel guilty. I'm sure you didn't offer any warranty or guarantee how long the engine would last.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

I used to buy and sell the odd car but I was by no means a trader, I'd do the odd bit to fix them up if needed, I'd run around in them or the Mrs would until I sold it, some I kept longer than others but I'm the kind of person that everything I own is for sale all the time if the price is right.

I feel for the buyer but a seller is hardly going to invite you to his house to hear it running if it's knocking it's **** off, but then again I'm not standing anyones corner on here because I've been wrong in the past.

You just never know the lengths some people will go to for the sake of a few hundred quid and a lot less sometimes.

Raptorman

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Just playing devils advocate as we only have one side of the story
from the seller.

To be fair Matt, one of your threads was for insuring your own recovery
truck which in my book would put you into dealer territory as most
people buying knackered motors for the spares for themselves would
just buy/hire/borrow a car trailer and then strip and keep as much as they can
and scrap the rest.

By your own admission Matt you have bought "several" cars and stripped some
parts for yourself and sold the rest at a profit.

If you look at this from the buyers perspective you arrive to buy a engine
from a private seller but see a few stripped cars and a recovery truck in
the yard it doesn't take much to put two and two together and come up with
dealer.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

jaygsi

iTrader: (46)

I think you will find most company's will say if part hasn't been fitted by professional then theres no come back, that for new parts.

Guessing the same for used aswell, seen a few list on engines warranty included but only if engine has been fitted by a professional.

Raptorman

iTrader: (1)

So if the engine was fitted by a mechanic who's 9-5 job is as a
mechanic then that would make them a 'professional'?

thunder8

iTrader: (1)

I sold some new shocks and tien springs as went with some bc coilovers the lad on scoobynet said the rears were knocking and shagged the pictures he sent were clearly not my shocks but did have teins on (proberly mine he swopped) but evan on scoobynet the buyer is right had to refund some money


just saying no one can be trusted with or without 100% feedback or reputation

Raptorman

iTrader: (1)

Agreed, but Matt as far as I can see has screwed himself by not noting
the engine number when he sold it so therefore cannot prove the
engine he sold was good or bad.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Plus wether he admits it or not he is doing the breaking on a for profit basis.

silver sonic

iTrader: (4)

lol.

ask him all fitting details, a clip of the noise and to show engine number in clip.
call his bluff about engine number!

Raptorman

iTrader: (1)

Pointless as Matt doesn't have the engine number and a kid could edit
a video clip to make it sound like its knocking.

silver sonic

iTrader: (4)

yeah but he doesnt know that matt hasnt number hence "call his bluff"

Raptorman

iTrader: (1)

I doubt the buyer is going to go to that extent to prove
the engine is kaput.

There are really two outcomes to this.

1. The buyer is genuine and the engine is duff and Matt possibly
ends up in a court explaining to the judge that he's not really a
breaker running a profitable business and isn't subject to the
sale of goods act.

2. The buyer is trying it on and will back off when he doesn't get
his own way.

EOEUMC

iTrader: (5)

Raptorman.

You certainly seem to be digging in to Matt. Are you sure your not the buyer or the mechanic or a close friend or even his brother?

There are always 3 sides to a story. The buyer, the seller and the truth! Don't keep pointing the finger at one person. You know as well as most if not all, that there are ar5eh0les out there that only want to rip as many poor sods off as possible. If Matt is genuine then he's at the brunt of some possible scam, if he's not then with a bit of luck he will get what owed to him. And as you have stated before, your only going on what the seller is telling us so why are you still moaning about the what if's or it might be's?

BoozyDave

iTrader: (8)

if the buyers old engine was knackered and he needed a new engine. He was given the opportunity to see an engine up and running, see how it pulls, how it sounds under load/ higher revs and make sure it was a good/sound replacement and worth the time/money to fit. why did he say 'no'?

if my engine was buggered and I was buying a 2nd hand 10 year old engine, I would want to see it up and running, check out the service history, etc. I wouldn't just take somebody's word for it being 'a good runner'.

Either -
A - the buyer has had the engine fitted and not rectified the fault that caused to last engine to expire and the new engine has suffered the same fate,
B - Matt knew the engine was on it's way out and offered the buyer the chance to see it running, but hoped he would think 'he's willing to take me out in the car, the engine must be sound', but now it has been fitted, it obviously isn't, OR
C - the buyer has fitted the engine and it is running fine and he is just bluffing and trying to get a refund and send the knackered engine back


I think it could be A, the buyers mechanic didn't know why the old engine died, he has fitted the new engine and the same fault has caused the new one to die

Porka-matt

And all that makes a difference to someone trying to say I sold them a dud engine when I haven't in what way ? Not having a dig and as has been stated nobody knows me from Adam and I could be the one talking a load of crap but I know I aren't and that's all that matters to me..I started this thread solely to get an idea of how a good engine could just start knocking from being took out one and put into the other ...as for the recovery truck malarky..I also do some joinery which involves long lengths of wood..I haven't the space to keep a trailer..I have a motocross bike too so yes I could just have a van and then rent a trailer when ever needed but why not have one vehicle that suits all my needs...what your saying is like someone owning a 4x4 must equal that they go offroading all the time..or me saying you own a Subaru so must drive around to fast all the time...not everything is used just for one sole purpose

Raptorman

iTrader: (1)

With the utmost respect Matt no-one here knows you personally and as I have stated
already, up until this thread you had less than 10 posts since you joined in 2012.

To answer EOEUMC, I am in no way connected to Matt or the buyer, I don't even
live in England I just like to know as many facts as possible especially when we have
only a unknown members words on the matter.

I will leave it there and honestly hope you get it sorted one way or another Matt.