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37
26.81%
Labour
23
16.67%
UKIP
62
44.93%
Liberal Democrats
2
1.45%
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6
4.35%
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5
3.62%
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1
0.72%
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2
1.45%
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http://may2015.com/category/poll-of-polls/
Only Evening Standard seem to have them under 12%, Daily Mirror Poll has them at 17%.
Guardian had them at 7% a week ago, that's BS.
TNS (what ever that is) had UKIP at 19% 2 weeks ago.
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This?
http://may2015.com/category/poll-of-polls/
Only Evening Standard seem to have them under 12%, Daily Mirror Poll has them at 17%.
Guardian had them at 7% a week ago, that's BS.
TNS (what ever that is) had UKIP at 19% 2 weeks ago.
http://may2015.com/category/poll-of-polls/
Only Evening Standard seem to have them under 12%, Daily Mirror Poll has them at 17%.
Guardian had them at 7% a week ago, that's BS.
TNS (what ever that is) had UKIP at 19% 2 weeks ago.
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A sort of Loose , loose scenario
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As for making it more difficult/expensive, well that is what is happening now under EU law, we MUST follow a particular directive at whatever cost, outside the EU only those companies that want to trade in that particular market and find it profitable to do so will need to follow the rules. 80% of the UKs GDP is generated internally
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If you think we have "influence in Europe" now then you are deluded and ignorant of what is actually happening, the UK has been over-ruled 55 times http://businessforbritain.org/2014/0...e-eu-revealed/
As for making it more difficult/expensive, well that is what is happening now under EU law, we MUST follow a particular directive at whatever cost, outside the EU only those companies that want to trade in that particular market and find it profitable to do so will need to follow the rules. 80% of the UKs GDP is generated internally
As for making it more difficult/expensive, well that is what is happening now under EU law, we MUST follow a particular directive at whatever cost, outside the EU only those companies that want to trade in that particular market and find it profitable to do so will need to follow the rules. 80% of the UKs GDP is generated internally
They must all be 'deluded and ignorant' too
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Can't find a 12%
I did find this posted today showing a respectable 13.5 but with a dearth 3 seats predicted.
http://may2015.com/featured/election...rime-minister/
I did find this posted today showing a respectable 13.5 but with a dearth 3 seats predicted.
http://may2015.com/featured/election...rime-minister/
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Can't find a 12%
I did find this posted today showing a respectable 13.5 but with a dearth 3 seats predicted.
http://may2015.com/featured/election...rime-minister/
I did find this posted today showing a respectable 13.5 but with a dearth 3 seats predicted.
http://may2015.com/featured/election...rime-minister/
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I'll add it to the 1st post, I find it all very fascinating this time around.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/poll-tracker
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/poll-tracker
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This?
http://may2015.com/category/poll-of-polls/
Only Evening Standard seem to have them under 12%, Daily Mirror Poll has them at 17%.
Guardian had them at 7% a week ago, that's BS.
TNS (what ever that is) had UKIP at 19% 2 weeks ago.
http://may2015.com/category/poll-of-polls/
Only Evening Standard seem to have them under 12%, Daily Mirror Poll has them at 17%.
Guardian had them at 7% a week ago, that's BS.
TNS (what ever that is) had UKIP at 19% 2 weeks ago.
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And Switzerland is hardly a representative country
And simply quoting a figure - in this case 55, is simply meaningless without the context
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If you think we have "influence in Europe" now then you are deluded and ignorant of what is actually happening, the UK has been over-ruled 55 times http://businessforbritain.org/2014/0...e-eu-revealed/
As for making it more difficult/expensive, well that is what is happening now under EU law, we MUST follow a particular directive at whatever cost, outside the EU only those companies that want to trade in that particular market and find it profitable to do so will need to follow the rules. 80% of the UKs GDP is generated internally
As for making it more difficult/expensive, well that is what is happening now under EU law, we MUST follow a particular directive at whatever cost, outside the EU only those companies that want to trade in that particular market and find it profitable to do so will need to follow the rules. 80% of the UKs GDP is generated internally
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The debate is on what terms and how favourable they would be
Norway is out side the EU but pays handsomely (billions) to trade within the EU - and is also bound by most its regulations, which it has zero say
Why are we different to Switzerland - is that a serious question?
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We would be able to negotiate our own terms, no one is saying otherwise
The debate is on what terms and how favourable they would be
Norway is out side the EU but pays handsomely (billions) to trade within the EU - and is also bound by most its regulations, which it has zero say
Why are we different to Switzerland - is that a serious question?
The debate is on what terms and how favourable they would be
Norway is out side the EU but pays handsomely (billions) to trade within the EU - and is also bound by most its regulations, which it has zero say
Why are we different to Switzerland - is that a serious question?
(*a generation being the average age at which adults begin to have offspring at any given point in history )
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Just for the sake of argument, let's say you were right and an exit from the EU did end up costing us financially, in the short or medium term at least. Would that alone be justification enough in your view to deny close to three successive generations* of voters the right to have a say on whether they want to be part of it?
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(*a generation being the average age at which adults begin to have offspring at any given point in history )
I did say "commentary", because tbh, I don't know - and in reality no one does (although plenty of people in the business community say the effect would be negative)
but to the point about denying etc etc, sure I have no real problem with a vote
my worry is all the FUD - that would be thrown about
and we see it continuously, not least on here
I can just hear people say "55 times that is outrageous", but without any contect it is meaningless
maybe 55 is good - maybe German/France get 100's (I doubt anyone bothers to find out before being "outraged")
here is a more balanced view
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu_counc...ruled_55-32228
I mean if I built a new motor racing circuit, and simply said "that Farage is a cvnt because it to him 2mins and 89 seconds to get round it"
it is a meaningless statement without knowing that either, the best Jenson Button could manage was 2mins and 97 second, or that Maureen from "driving school" did it in 1 min 30 seconds
not rocket science
so in short - the answer to your question is NO
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We would be able to negotiate our own terms, no one is saying otherwise
The debate is on what terms and how favourable they would be
Norway is out side the EU but pays handsomely (billions) to trade within the EU - and is also bound by most its regulations, which it has zero say
Why are we different to Switzerland - is that a serious question?
The debate is on what terms and how favourable they would be
Norway is out side the EU but pays handsomely (billions) to trade within the EU - and is also bound by most its regulations, which it has zero say
Why are we different to Switzerland - is that a serious question?
Norway may pay billions, but so do we. Do we pay more?. Do we get full value from being a member of the EU or can it be manipulated to suit us if we left like Norway and/or Switzerland?.
All genuine questions btw. A lot of people argue if we should stay or leave, rarely does anyone go into details of the consequences of either.
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100% serious. What do Switzerland have that we don't.
Norway may pay billions, but so do we. Do we pay more?. Do we get full value from being a member of the EU or can it be manipulated to suit us if we left like Norway and/or Switzerland?.
All genuine questions btw. A lot of people argue if we should stay or leave, rarely does anyone go into details of the consequences of either.
Norway may pay billions, but so do we. Do we pay more?. Do we get full value from being a member of the EU or can it be manipulated to suit us if we left like Norway and/or Switzerland?.
All genuine questions btw. A lot of people argue if we should stay or leave, rarely does anyone go into details of the consequences of either.
and we sit outside Europe (geographically and culturally) and historically had an Empire with which we traded with, helped by (at times) the most powerful navy the word had seen.
here is a good essay on the Swiss miracle
http://www.lse.ac.uk/economichistory...issgetrich.pdf
and more info on here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzer...nion_relations
but yes times move on, we do not have an empire, Europe forms a major trading partner (the biggest, I don't know)
and as my previous answer alludes to - I agree, lets have a opened reasoned debate
but whatever the pros and cons are - one thing is for sure it is simple fantasy that we could pull out and negotiate a simple trade agreement
my fear is that any debate would be contaminated by FUD (ear uncertainty and doubt)
a lot of heat - but not a lot of light
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well apart from the obvious - i.e. Switzerland is a small landlocked country at the centre of Europe - that comprises mostly of French, German and Italian speakers and has historically traded with it European neighbours and for reasons that I am not totally aware of, managed to maintain strict neutrality - through two world wars.
and we sit outside Europe (geographically and culturally) and historically had an Empire with which we traded with, helped by (at times) the most powerful navy the word had seen.
here is a good essay on the Swiss miracle
http://www.lse.ac.uk/economichistory...issgetrich.pdf
and more info on here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzer...nion_relations
but yes times move on, we do not have an empire, Europe forms a major trading partner (the biggest, I don't know)
and as my previous answer alludes to - I agree, lets have a opened reasoned debate
but whatever the pros and cons are - one thing is for sure it is simple fantasy that we could pull out and negotiate a simple trade agreement
my fear is that any debate would be contaminated by FUD (ear uncertainty and doubt)
a lot of heat - but not a lot of light
and we sit outside Europe (geographically and culturally) and historically had an Empire with which we traded with, helped by (at times) the most powerful navy the word had seen.
here is a good essay on the Swiss miracle
http://www.lse.ac.uk/economichistory...issgetrich.pdf
and more info on here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzer...nion_relations
but yes times move on, we do not have an empire, Europe forms a major trading partner (the biggest, I don't know)
and as my previous answer alludes to - I agree, lets have a opened reasoned debate
but whatever the pros and cons are - one thing is for sure it is simple fantasy that we could pull out and negotiate a simple trade agreement
my fear is that any debate would be contaminated by FUD (ear uncertainty and doubt)
a lot of heat - but not a lot of light
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Going by this, written 3 years ago, India look to be our largest trade partner for our exports...
http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...xports-imports
http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...xports-imports
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Going by this, written 3 years ago, India look to be our largest trade partner for our exports...
http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...xports-imports
http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...xports-imports
look at the individual countries that make the EU
Italy 15.2
Germany 17.2
France 14,3
Belgium 12.9
my maths is not great -- but that looks like it beats India
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well apart from the obvious - i.e. Switzerland is a small landlocked country at the centre of Europe - that comprises mostly of French, German and Italian speakers and has historically traded with it European neighbours and for reasons that I am not totally aware of, managed to maintain strict neutrality - through two world wars.
I've read that right, yes? :-)
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Talking of Russia, how do they manage to export so much to us, France, Poland, Spain etc?.
We seem to import more from EU countries than we export, so are we reliant on the EU or are a lot of EU countries reliant on us?.
https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statisti...ges/EuOTS.aspx
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but things would change,
most people in business know this - and business by and large don't like change sure, but pretty much all the big hitters in the UK economy/business say the benefits outweigh the cost for the UK
from the CBI - pretty much as pro business as you can get
http://www.cbi.org.uk/campaigns/our-...utweigh-costs/
here is a link that set out the benefits in more detail
http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296
my point is - sure vote out, but make an informed choice, anyone who says the consequences of leaving the EU are trivial and the future on our own is paved with gold - is a dangerous charlatan
so fine - argue and vote on the "sovereignty" issue
but don't assume leaving the EU is a panacea to our economic problems - you would need to be pretty fvcking sure