Alan Jeffery

Wrong. Trade will occur, regardless of state intervention. If the deal is good, they'll want to trade with us just the same. We don't even share a currency! I really don't see the big deal.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

hodgy0_2

does that take into account all the trade tariffs etc that would be levied against British exports to the EU

Martin2005

Who said trade wouldn't continue? Therefore how can I of been wrong? Why not look at what I actually said, then respond to that, rather than making a completely daft statement about things you cannot possibly predict?

RS_Matt

https://gritdigital.co.uk/infographi...5-opinion-poll

Seems to mirror my ranker.com poll.

I really do feel people hate Lab/Cons but are scared of change :/

warrenm2

Yes OK greens on 29%. Next please

Alan Jeffery

The EU was sold to us suckers in the first place as being a "Trade Deal".
I just happen to believe that we'll be better off out than in.

c_maguire

HSBC seem to be of a different opinion.
It won't be until we leave that we see the true repercussions as regards big business. Not worth the risk in my opinion, I prefer to see where the 'renegotiation' goes.
If Labour get in companies like HSBC may just bug@er off anyway of course.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I can't believe there are people dumb enough to fall for the 'renegotiation' ploy..... actually I can, they are called Tories

Martin2005

Facts would be useful, rather than UKIP wishful thinking and sound bites

RA Dunk

I'm seriously struggling to understand why 15 people have voted for Liebour after the amount of damage they did during the last disastrous spell they had in charge.

RobJenks

A high profile Yank statistician has predicted the following on Panorama .

Tories 283
Labour 270
SNP 48
Libs 20
UKIP 1

This I suppose will mean dopey bollocks will become PM with the aid of the SNP.

So a marxist jew immigrant who has never held a job - supported by the trade unions and underpinned by the scottish nationalists will form a left wing government

Britain you are well and truly fcuked .

lozgti1

still think there is going to be a surprise in store!

neil-h

Decided who you're voting for yet Chris?

RS_Matt

Uncertainty? Something tells me that because UKIP and the Greens would bring around the most radical changes that big corporations who are hosting polls are doctoring them as they have most to lose!

It can't be just a case of protest voting every time a smaller scale poll comes around.

I bet the bookies are getting squeaky bums offering UKIP at 1000/1 to win most seats!

#silentkippers

lozgti1

might stick a cheeky £10 on

neil-h

Got to be worth it. At least then if they do well out of the elections, something good will come of it.

RS_Matt

TBH I think some of the Polls showing big leads for the Green Party and UKIP over Lab/Cons shows that people have become disillusioned with the big two parties but will be too scared of change come May the 7th to break their voting habits.

RS_Matt

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-...e-in-campaign/

...and so it begins, Labour voters have stopped cutting their nose off to spite their face. There's no shame or conceding victory by changing allegiances, it isn't sport. They now know Labour is a poor choice and they won't face calls of "told you so" by the right.

RS_Matt

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-32492853

Get used to it Marty.

Martin2005

I find myself in a familiar position of not knowing exactly what point you're trying to make?

neil-h

That's a nice conversation you appear to be having with yourself there. Whoever said UKIP doesn't attract crazies

Pharrell Williams

Just looking in at your poll resluts. Quite frightening really.

People of England/Scoobynet, wtf is wrong with you?

dpb

I'll eat my hat if that's going to be the result

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

This poll is nonsense. When it comes to actually ticking the ballot paper at least half of you saying you will vote UKIP will tick the Tory box as change is more frightening than another 5 years of the lying cheating **** that is Cameron and his band of 'merry' men/women.

Miliband will be just as bad. The country is basically f**ked.

£1.6 trillion in debt. Taxed to death. Wastage and corruption at an all time high. Just look at the transport system to see what a f**king mess has been made of UK PLC. Emission zones, congestion charges, mile and miles of 50mph limit to install revenue generating cameras on the motorways, variable speed limits everywhere no matter what time of the day, train prices through the roof, parking charged for no matter where you go and at a rate of legalised extortion, fines for crossing a bridge over the Thames without paying an online toll that was supposed to have been abolished years ago and that they try their hardest not to tell you about..... and so on! It's a bloody joke!

Looking forward to f**King off as no one in this country really gives a crap.

What do we want? A better country?
When do we want it? Now!
How do we get it? Write a whining post on Facebook!

neil-h

Is that not just the epitome of the 'screw everyone else i'm gonna look after me' attitude though?

Now I've had my little facetious moment on to the serious question. What would you suggest the solution is? I'd hazard a guess that the UKIP 'pull up the drawbridge and hide in our own little world' approach won't work. To be honest I'm not sure any single party really has the answer but what the country needs is consistency swapping the current lot for Labour isn't likely to do it any favours.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I did just over a decade in the Labour Party and got hoodwinked (like many others) by Blair who turned out to be a fake! These days, after 30 years of social engineering, apathy is the name of the game or blind party loyalty and frankly I can't be ar5ed any more so yes ... looking after number 1. Rightly or wrongly!

The economic answer is very very complex and I am not even sure there is one as I think we are too far gone. The fact is we need to spend less.... a lot less and that means some harsh decisions which no party in the current system will ever make. Like abolishing child benefit, means testing state pensions, re-nationalising utility industries etc. etc. However genuine reduction in wastage and corruption would go a heck of a long way to helping things and please don't say there isn't much wastage and corruption... sit in any council office in the UK for a few weeks and you will soon see what I mean or look at the amount of tax paid by Starbucks etc. We also have to stop making it a lifestyle choice for people to be lazy and yes for some it is that way, not all by a long chalk but for some for sure.

Socially I don't know where to begin. How do you install a work ethic and a sense of responsibility into a nation that for 30 years has been 'nanny state'd to the point of blaming anyone but themselves for just about anything? Harsh reality I guess is the answer, but for too many politicians that would be used as a political stick with which to beat whichever party tried to do something about it.

Nope, I fear we are way too far down the road of no return!

neil-h

For a self confessed socialist I find some of your comments quite surprising. That being said however they are by and large quite accurate.

The only point I'd argue is the one I've highlighted in bold. Having had my fair share of the public sector, I couldn't agree on the privatisation of the utilities industry. You just need to look at the state of what makes up the public sector now to realise that putting any of the current crop of politicians in charge of utilities policy would be a train wreck.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I think the problem is Neil that the press and the politicians have done a great job of linking socialism with reckless borrowing and giving away money to people who a lot of the time do not deserve it. In essence true socialism isn't about that, but it is about state ownership and a more equal distribution of wealth..... however it is also about generating that wealth in a fair way so it can be distributed and that is where the crux of the problem lies.

That said being a realist we also have to accept the position we are in and that is one of extreme difficulty from an economic point of view both now and in the future unless radical changes are made. To my mind that doesn't come down to utopian ideologies, but to harsh realism and the acceptance of the undesirable solutions to our plight!

P.S. With the re-nationalisation of utility companies I was assuming we would have better politicians than we do now.... as otherwise they wouldn't make that decision in the first place.

RS_Matt

I find it strange we have accrued 95 votes on this poll and 10,000 on the favourite Scoobynet member poll on another site!!!

The UK is doomed.