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Chuka Umunna
9
39.13%
Yvette Cooper
3
13.04%
Dan Jarvis
1
4.35%
Liz Kendall
0
0%
Other
8
34.78%
Andy Burnham
2
8.70%
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Old 19 May 2015, 10:08 AM
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He seems slightly angry , honestly hadn't considered any other aspect about him
Old 19 May 2015, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
Now, not in the future. Times change as they say.

The American argument just highlights the differences between us and them re. colour ( a queer is no more likely to get elected there than here, so will not).
The divisions between rich and poor and white and coloured in America are more extreme than they are here. And as such at the extremes racism is far worse in America than it is here. Votes at the extreme are either fixed or don't happen at all, it's the votes in the middle that count (deadly plague completely changing the racial/liberal demographic notwithstanding).
And in America their attitude to success, the ability to make it from nothing whoever and wherever you came from is far more pro-active and positive than ours. They are ultimately far more accepting of immigrant success than we are, and when enough time has passed the immigrant (or their descendents importantly) is no longer an immigrant but a citizen of the U.S.A., with all the rights that entails.
Back in Blighty I don't see a receptiveness to a PM who doesn't look like and sound like he/she is English (I choose English on purpose). This doesn't particularly bother me either way (no queers for PM though), I'll just go with the flow and if the PM in 25 years is called Winston or Errol or Sanjid I expect I'll just have to swallow it up.
Seems like an excruciatingly converluted argument.

The US has extreme race and religious divisions.
I can see absolutely no reason why we would not vote for a black PM.
Old 19 May 2015, 11:29 AM
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You've not seen the "One Muslim MP...." speech either, then?
Old 19 May 2015, 11:31 AM
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Funnily enough, my eldest sent me a text last week, about this.
It read,
Don't Umunna, Hunt, Burnham, Cooper etc realise that they are perceived as part of the problem with Labour at the moment, and NOT the solution?
I think he's right.
Old 19 May 2015, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
You've not seen the "One Muslim MP...." speech either, then?
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