Felix.

Good point. So if a group of 'our employees' have a meeting and want more static speed cameras to curb speeding on their estates at all times of the day - Are you happy for the police to oblige?

alcazar

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Yes.

Except perhaps, since everyone KNOWS it's just a money-making scam, the functioning of the cameras could be done by a civilian company?

Turbohot

I'm pretty sure that he was only arrested just the once, and for the last time. His easy going posts lead me to believe that he's not a habitual, he's actually a very gentle guy. I can't imagine someone as nice as him being shoved into a police car, never mind being handcuffed and stuffed in a cell with some drug dealer. I wish it had never happened to him. Totally gobsmacking incident. Sh7t happens, but I wish him much peace and happiness that he deserves.

Felix.

Or a private company. They they will have to produce a increase in profit every year to keep the shareholders happy which will mean more convictions & fines

Our 'backroom staff' is run by a private company (as are a lot of police forces) so this could be why you are seeing more speeding offence prosecutions in Humberside.

Felix.

Indeed, you just can't tell these days?

Stuart Hall was always seen as a nice chap, Dave Lee Travis etc etc

lozgti1

Thank you Swati

Felix,for a policeman,that was a very childish post

Felix.

The point being is that there is a bigger picture and a victim in the middle of all this. And we can't just make a judgement on an alleged offence based on the fact that "He seems like a nice bloke and a gentle person"

My original post detailed a job in our force not so long ago - he seemed like a nice bloke, professional guy and not a risk to making irrational decisions, yet he went back and stuck a knife in her.

I'm not saying that you would have done such a thing, but from a safeguarding point of view, we have to asses the risk presented at the time

silver-sub

So was jimmy saville but police seemed to have turned a blind eye

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...my-Savile.html

Felix.

Yes, but his crimes started in the 70's - and as someone said earlier:

alcazar

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Disagree. Give 'em the fines but make them justify each and every one.
And introduce a sliding scale of fines and points like the French have: http://english.controleradar.org/speeding-fines.php

If HMG are SERIOUS about the cameras and fines being for safety, they would be pleased to give up the revenue...oh...wait....

Turbohot

Pleasure, Loz.


I knew someone would pick up that point from my post. Well done, policeman.

What you say cannot be disputed. But the point OP clarifies on one of his later posts on the thread is that he could have been treated with a bit more respect. In his opening post, he also highlights policepersons' unprofessionalism where by they stood around doing not much, at the police station. Again, you can't tell these days. Just because they didn't look busy it doesn't mean they weren't busy; with their mind.

If a woman with or without kids makes a desperate call for her safety, then police will or should do what they can, as quickly as possible, depending upon the nature of the threat to the accusing body; in compliance with the law. I know that.

But let's just focus on the former point that he could have been treated with a bit more respect.

For the population, such matters go out of hand due to the emotionally charged energy involved in them, which could lead to all sorts. Professional police, on the other hand, take notice of the complaint and act on it as fast, with as much neutrality as possible, which I appreciate and agree with. Yet I do think that a little dash of humanity in that neutrality won't go a miss, and will only do good to the general reputation of the police. Sometimes, even that neutrality is reported as a bias, and that's something else for the police to self-examine.

I still think that as much as I know of Loz, he doesn't really come across as someone aggressive in his posts, which might be just one perspective, but on the basis of that, I find it unfair that he was treated with utter disrespect and not like a human. About how much disrespect OP did suffer, I think he's the only one to inform you in detail of that. I don't know much about it.

Personally, I have met some good and some bad police persons. One good one was so nice to me when I moved on the wrong side of a single carriageway road, thinking that the row of the cars in front of me were all parked up on the side. A police person came to me, asked me to wind my window down, I slagged myself off for being so dangerously stupid and said to him that it was due to the lack of my sleep, and he was so nice to me. He said to me that people do park on that main road side and they shouldn't. He told me to have a good day, and walked off. Other times I've had to call police myself for my protection, and they were always there for me. Other time they refused to give me the detail on the crime that my over 18 son suffered, but I understood the law and digested the bullet. On another occeasion they asked me to stop and get breathalysed after I had been to see The Impossible movie. I mean it was just impossible to think that a perfectly driven car would be stopped with a non-drinker brown driver. However, I was really excited at it because I had never been breathalysed before! They even gave me a part of the breathalyser to take home as a memory. My English friend was fuming, though. She said it was racist things to do on police's behalf, as when they got me to step outside my car, and started to chat with me, they could have easily told that I was not drunk or anything. Honestly, I had no problem with that, and I enthusiastically cooperated. A bad one was the one who stopped me for my foggies on my Scooby, and then gave me a ticket with literally writing my name as 'Sugar'! What the hell!

Anyway.

Felix.

The justification being - 'you have gone too fast - here's your fine'
How much more justification are you after?

Felix.

I assume he was arrested as opposed to taken in as a voluntary attendee. In that case, the only part of the station he saw was the custody suite. This tends to be a place where you can wait around for a custody sergeant to become free. He/she is the one who will authorise a persons detention and if they are busy dealing with the previous arrest or charging/bailing someone or a whole host of other jobs – then you will have to wait. You will also need to go through a search of the detainee, have his rights explained, his risk assessment, medical issues etc etc. This takes time and officers may use this time to grab a coffee while they wait – as with an arrest this is the only break you are now going to have that day and you may as well treat the coffee as your meal break. While you wait, you might see another officer who you have not seen for a while and chat or have a laugh with a prisoner who you get on with or indeed lean against a counter to rest you back/legs - Are these really seen as being unprofessional as at a guess I assume this happens in other work places.

I believe I do this on a regular basis, but of course can not speak for every officer. However my 'humanity' can often lead to complaints of me being too soft. For example, arrest of a burglar having been caught by the home owner breaking into his garage. I arrive, arrest the suspect – but knowing he will spend the rest of the night in custody I allowed him to have a cigarette before he got in the van. Now from my point of view, I was stood next to him so he wasn't going to escape, the cigarette was going to be his last for a while, it calmed him down and would prevent him 'kicking off' or being obnoxious in custody. It wasn't going to do anything to the burglary case against him. - Was I wrong, as that lead to a complaint from the original caller

For 'Loz's' case, we don't know what happened as none of us were there, however there must have been a necessity to arrest which will have been explained to the custody sergeant in Loz's presence. Was the victim/children upset by his presence outside the address? Was he going to refuse to leave? Was this a continuing pattern? And what was the outcome – charge, bail, no further action, restraining order? - we just don't know so can't really judge.


But we don't know you were a non drinker, cinema goer until you were stopped. Besides, you will be surprised how many people who do not smell in the slightest of booze fail the breath test; after claiming that they have not touched a drop all day (later to say – 'well I might have had a few drinks'). And what’s a brown driver? Are you mixed race? As your race or religion do not matter. Lots of people state that their religion prevents them from drinking alcohol – yet you will find them paralytic around the town.

donny andi

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Come on now loz,
Admit it fella.....you gave her a quick slap , then proceeded to threaten to burn the house down whilst she slept.
She told you to **** off and there's no way you will be dipping the old lad in again so you stormed off and kicked her car doors in

You bad lad

alcazar

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Oh, for heaven's sake Felix.

You and I are both intelligent adults and are both, therefore, aware that speed cameras are mostly a scam, or at BEST a sop for the MADD and Safety First types out there.

If they were used correctly, sited where speeding IS a problem and not where they will generate maximum revenue, people like me would accept them as part and parcel.

There are two I could mention here in this part of the world. One is actually on a motorway leading to the East Coast resort of Cleethorpes and the ports of Grimsby, Killingholme and Immingham, so lots of folk drive it on a first time basis. The camera is placed on a slight curve to the left and is entirely hidden until you come out from under a farm bridge, then he's got you.
Otherwise, three lanes, excellent sight lines, good surface, but he's there EVERY Saturday morning to catch tourists who don't know the road.
Their reason for siting a camera there? ONE fatality caused by a drink and drug crazed woman driver who got onto the wrong carriageway in roadworks and got herself killed. Would a camera have stopped that???

The second is on another gently curving road which has NO houses letting out onto it, and which comes off a 60mph limit. Again, you drift round this gentle bend, the road is wide and well surfaced, well lit at night, but it's for some reason a 30mph limit and he catches LOADS who drift over the limit there.
Their reason this time? ONE fatality caused when a 17 year old lad took his mothers Vectra Sri150 without permission, or a license, and rolled it on the roundabout just up the road, where it goes to 60mph. Like a camera would have stopped that????

But there they both are, at least once a week, making more from those two than all the rest, allegedly.

but look for one outside a school? And trust me, one of our schools is on a main road leading to the local steelworks etc, and sees lots of traffic and heavy lorries.

the local council, however, is soooooo interested in safety that they changed a plan for an orbital route that would have seen all that traffic gone, and redesignated the land for housing

Please don't get me wrong: I don't condone speeding, especially in town.

But those two boil my p*ss.

if the so-called "safety Camera Partnerships" re-sited their cameras to where speed COULD be a problem and not a revenue generator, more people would support them, people like me, for example.

But while we have this dishonest system, and while most people of my age groups and my social standing's ONLY contact with the police is the receipt of a sneaky photo and a letter demanding money with menaces, what do you expect but that you will be seen to be part of the problem, NOT the solution?

And while you lot tacitly and actively support it, while making mealy-mouthed excuses, how is it ever going to be put right?

lozgti1

I'd been popping in the house (my house!) walking the dog for her for the last 4 months.She then even decided to report the dog as 'stolen' and complained I had been in the house and done the washing up....or 'done domestic chores ' as the police put it

Crazy world ! Last time I wash up for anyone.lol

Turbohot

Hm, that must be the reason that I already understand, and that's why I never said I had any issue with that.

Brown driver is a brown driver- literally. I only added 'brown' driver for comedy. No, I'm not mixed race, I am actually entirely a different race with my brown skin. And, no, it shouldn't matter what race and colour one is, when it comes to the law. I know that. Also, I'm NOT from the religion where alcohol is a no-no. I never said that I shouldn't have been stopped because I was brown, so there's no argument, to be honest. And yes, there're plenty of peeps around whose religion prohibits them from drinking alcohol, but they do, and create havoc, I know.

Again, I wasn't complaining. My white friend did grumble, but I didn't. I say that in my post that you quoted.

donny andi

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Tidy


If you don't mind a bit of ironing I leave a spare key under the wheelie bin

lozgti1

lol!!

Turbohot

PMSL! That's your new employment opportunity, Loz!

lozgti1

Sounds like it!!!! (I hate ironing :-) )

Turbohot

I agree! Most boring task.

Felix.

Well, if you struggle to stick to the speed limits, I suggest you move to our neck of the woods matey

No cameras and only 2 traffic cars. The majority of traffic officers have been taken off traffic and put back on the response shifts - and we are still short staffed.

alcazar

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Where'd I say I struggle to stick to speed limits?

Felix.

Then you wont be affected by the speeding fines. And if everyone followed your good example - no one else will either - QED

flatfoured

Easy band wagon to jump on as far as the police are rubbish etc.
With probably lots of tales to tell good and bad.

For instance was once woken up by my dog barking in a aggressive manor jumped up looked outside and there was 3 lads trying to get into my house, shouted and ran downstairs dog had how ever beaten me too it and had got hold of a lad literally half way in my window. Lad got away followed by what looked like a trail of blood..... 2 hours later the police arrived who bore no interest into the burglars and more interest into my dog who they seemed pretty confident they would have to seize and destroy as it has attacked some one. There would be more chance of plating fog then taking my dog police fail in my opinion.

Then I had a vehicle stolen that we chased around for days ringing the police every time. Eventually the police caught the little scummer and the (40 odd ish) gave me the lads name and address with the hint of where he hung around if not there. As in his own words they were fed up or arresting the little f@@ker for cps to let him go ... That's a true policemen in my eyes...

To the lad that started the topic even though you are probably a 100 percent gent if there had of been any truth in the accusations you've got to understand that's worth them keeping you in for a few hour

neil-h

This is the thing people forget, when the police come to visit they tend to only have one side of the story. Like in the case of your dog, I doubt the lads that phoned the police chose to mention the fact they were breaking in at the time.

alcazar

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Facile argument, and you know it.

The truth is, the public hate them because they are a revenue generator and THE POLICE, the councils and the courts, plus of course HMG ALL lie about them.

get them in the right places, get them operated PROPERLY and followed up by civilians, just like I detailed above, and STOP WHINING ABOUT NOT HAVING SO MANY MEN!!!

Because all those tied up in speed camera enforcement will become available again.

BTW: my last speeding fine was 2003.
And that's with a 400/400 classic.

stipete75

The problem is the police don't work for us anymore, our interests are not their priority.
Theirs priorities are for the big corporations ( who ironically are the real criminals) generating and collecting revenue for these corporations and enforcing stupid bi-laws and statutes passed in parliament that steadily erode our freedoms.
It's all about profits and control.

Dirk Diggler 75

I fought the law and the law won ......