Tidgy

and do the exact opposite on the mechainicals.

P1, the poser's type r

Tidgy

yes of course your allowed your clueless opinions, doesn't mean we wont mock you for being wrong though.

johnaldridge101

Yea, because everybody knows the P1 is slow as ****

Did the type R have man sized Alcon brakes? (Optional extra on P1

Wasn't the type R restricted to 112mph?

johnaldridge101

Also speedometer in kph and trip/distance in kph

Which is really handy in the uk with mph being the unit of measurement.

Tidgy

wasn't a free option was it it though? brembo GT were option in japan iirc but if you have to pay for it you can fit anything you want

where is there a road in the uk thats 112mph?

Type r gets to 70mph quicker than the p1 so is far better suited to having fun on uk roads without breaking the speed limit

Tidgy

converter does that

But having to convert a speedo from km to m doesnt really have a negative affect ont he car does it

Bit of a strecth for making the p1 better isnt it? lol

johnaldridge101

So you fit a converter, then have to explain to new buyers, half is in km half in m blah blah blah
Service history is all over the shop.

I have never once said that a P1 is the better car, each to their own, both cars were intended for completely different environments and markets.

Being an adult allows me to create an unbiased opinion of two or more objects and respect other people's opinions "no matter how retarded or wrong".

johnaldridge101

Quick, you better get on the phone to all the car manufacturers and tell them they are all complete idiots, makings cars capable of doing over 70mph!!!!!! What are they playing at

johnaldridge101

And then there is the whole argument of traveling at 70mph on the motorway.
TypeR higher revs, more strain on engine, running gear, lower fuel economy.

Tidgy

you were the one who pointed out the lower unusable top speed

johnaldridge101

Yes, and?

It may come in use on a race track

Tidgy

see you were doing well, then you mentioned fuel economy

i know lets buy a performance car and worry about mpg

given the mpg isnt that different, your sacrificing alot of the performance parts to use a bit less fuel, which is still not great mpg

o dear o dear, do you dress up for your p1?

johnaldridge101

Soooooo, you would be happy to fuel a car that only does 1mpg??

Or 1.6km per gallon so not to confuse your metric gauges.

A lot of performance parts??? Only thing different is the drive train, performance wise.

johnaldridge101

Where as, if you could fit a converter to a type R speedo and it be perfectly fine. What's stopping me fitting a 6speed DCCD box and all associated parts, then my P1 will be "better" than every typeR ever made!!!!!!!!

MattyB1983

iTrader: (51)

Why would Subaru not allow Prodrive to map the cars when they allowed them to map other imprezas ??

The type R wasn't designed to use UK fuel so holding that against it doesn't wash.
The P1 was developed to be the UK's version of a type R so deciding to use briquettes in the tank rather than writing a proper map for the car was a mistake in the cars development imo.

Tidgy

which is the gearbox ratios, diffs (R160 vs R180), drive shafts, hubs, suspension, dccd, factory rear tints, intercooler water spray, different rear brakes, No abs, air con not climate control,

actualy quite a bit when you list it

Dude, you bought the wrong car!!!

Tidgy

yeah, rare to find any on 60k+ with the original engine in.

So P1's are not only lower spec but also less reliable than a Type R

johnaldridge101

I don't know why Subaru wouldn't let them but seems feasible, I would like to think prodrive would rather remap than use briquetts.

High octane fuel is available in the U.K so it is hardly a negative point against the P1 like most people point it out to be.
Companies like millers and redex make a lot of money making octane boosters.

johnaldridge101

TypeR are lower spec than a P1 in that case then.

Lower spec than many UK2000's

Tidgy

whent he engines fail then its a pretty huge negative point

johnaldridge101

It's rare to fine ANY Impreza's that haven't had a rebuild.

Considering your all against the P1 you seem to know a lot about them, the condition, market value, average miles covered.
Perhaps a little bit of envy or secret affection towards them that you have to hide it behind all this "hatred" and stubbornness.

Tidgy

If you go on ABS alone then yes, go on the whole thing and then the P1 is a much lower spec performance car

Tidgy

more to do with a case of trying to understand the limited mentality of those that claim the P1 is better

johnaldridge101

Same here, at this moment in time I am also perplexed at the narrow mindedness that could lead anyone into thinking the P1 is inferior to a typeR.

Apart from the point mentioned previously (your a secret admirer) which is totally ok, you don't have to hide it and pretend in front of all your mates. I mean Gay marriage is now legal, so a typeR owner actually liking a P1 is not going to result in chemical castration.

Tidgy

It's pretty simple, take a performance car (in this case the Type R), remove a load of the performance enhancing components, tart it it up with some stick on bits (halfords here we come) and call it a 'special' edition and some deluded fool will think its better.

johnaldridge101

Just

Can't

Get

Any

Sense

Have you written to the CEO of Subaru and told him he fcuked up?

Tidgy

Not at all, he's made more money from P1's than type r's because of people buying them cos they is 'special', so fair play to him.

johnaldridge101

I have noticed all the other Impreza JDM car owners don't hate on the prodrive version of the same cars (often they are differently spec'd)

So again I'm lead to thinking it is just childish jealousy.

johnaldridge101

The problem is it's not a Special edition. It's just a P1.

Very much like the RB5, terzo, cataluna blah blah blah, should all of these cars be treated the same as a P1?

ScoobP1

iTrader: (1)

P1 all day every day for me.

Just reading through the posts makes me laugh, it all about opinions! Thats what makes life interesting.