JTaylor

In a sense, yes.

jonc

Perhaps, but also maybe the perception is due to the way it's reported and what part of the world you live in. As I mention earlier, Christian fundimentalist carried out many indescrimate terrorist attacks in central Africa with massacring of Muslim civillians, destroying mosques and displacing hundreds of thousand fleeing their country. The West, it seems with its inaction, have let fundemental Christianity off the hook.

warrenm2

My mistake, now I realise its all my fault for getting upset about gang rapes, FGM, Sharia law, beheadings, terrorism, corruption, trojan horse plots, murder, threats, blackmail, suppression of free speech and loss of freedom. If only I could love, this wouldn't have happened.

Idiot

Sad Weevil

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The point is, IS are not regular muslims, any more than the Ku Klux Klan are regular christians. IS are not a rabble of thugs either. They're highly organised hard core fundamentalists who want to bring about the apocalypse. If we don't stop them, they will succeed. And where are our so-called leaders? They've got their heads up the ***** of the very people that fund IS. Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi. Our glorious leaders (the lying traitor Blair included) created this ghastly mess, they are failing us all by not sorting this out at source. Rather than reacting against refugees (who are, after all, trying to get away from these murderous *******s) and all muslims, we should be turning our attention to our government to act in our interest for a change, rather than their corporate paymasters.

JTaylor

They're not doing that because Christ commanded them to. Islamic State on the other hand are emulating Mohammad.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-wants/384980/

You mis-use the word 'fundamental' when referring to Christianity.

JTaylor

Inappropriate conflation highlighted, but I concur with the remainder of your post. You'll find the link above interesting.

JTaylor

Save your righteous anger for IS, but please don't play in to their hands by alienating all Muslims. Don't you see?! This is exactly what they want!

warrenm2

Then stop spouting nonsense!

And when I see 1000000 Muslims on the street saying not in my name, when I see Muslims reporting Muslims to the police for child sexual exploitation and rape, when I see Muslims protesting against the burka, when I see Muslims drawing Mohammed cartoons, THEN you will have a point. Until then I'll keep my evidence based views thank you

JTaylor

You can't change Islam, it's immutable, but you can win the hearts and minds of 'Muslims'. I can tell you, based on evidence, you will not do this via hate. It doesn't work.

daviee

The reaction against the refugees, is mention on Warrens post " Trojon horse " as in Paris one of the scum came in with refugees through Greece. it gets back to a position of trust or who can we trust. The U.K. is I would say a multicultural country so why is ther now parts of it bein culturised ?.

I know their plight and part of me feels for them but if I gave you a sack of apple and said one might be poisoned in the real world you would bin the lot, thats now how I feel about the refugees.

warrenm2

I'm not interested in winning their hearts and minds (in this country). If they come here, THEY must fit in and respect or laws and customs, not vice versa. The evidence says they are NOT doing so, and hence have outstayed their welcome.

Foreign policy is a different matter I accept

warrenm2

Quite. And this is the point, I have nothing against, and indeed would encourage, a compassionate response to genuine people fleeing war. However you DO NOT threaten your own home security in your desire to be seen to be compassionate.

The top 6 richest Muslim countries are refusing to accept these refugees and expect us to do so. Sorry but NO! The refugees must be accommodated locally until the war is over, not to "say come on down" to ever chancer in N Africa and Middle East and expect us to give them a better life whilst at the same time despising us

jonc

Doesn't matter whether Islamists are doing it in the name of a prophet or Christians doing it for some other ulterior motive, my point is barbarity and inhuman acts are committed in the name of religion regardless of the flavour. Your distrust for Islam, to me, demonstrates in part why problems exists with religion.

JTaylor

Where are you going to send the 3 million Muslims? The Caliphate? And what exactly are our customs? Gross consumerism, materialism, obesity, teenage pregnancy, greed, drugs, alcoholism, bigotry? Perhaps if we displayed love, compassion, tolerance, understanding and charity our Muslim cousins may wish to integrate and assimilate. As it stands, if you're representing 'us', it's no wonder 'they' want to retreat in to their enclaves.

JTaylor

I distrust Islam because I know what it is and I trust in Jesus because I know who He is. If you don't, then I recommend you educate yourself. The texts are there for all to see.

warrenm2

Dont forget Harry Potter whilst you're at it....

warrenm2

Whichever Muslim country they want to go to.

Gross consumerism? That's whats called freedom matey, I get to do whatever I want with my property and hard earned money (within the law). If you don't like some of my choices then you can go f*ck yourself. What makes you think you can tell me what to do (as long as I act within the law)

Please God tell me this is a wind up and you're not really that crashingly naive.....

Yes thats right, the Muslims are all reading Scoobynet and are so horrified by my "hate" as your call my digest with barbaric acts, that they have declared a global jihad and are now aiming to take over the world, whereas previously they simply wanted to get a promotion to deputy manager so they could have a 2L company car.

You are so disconnected from reality its scary sometimes

banny sti

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http://www.evilbible.com/christians_are_hypocrites.htm

Sad Weevil

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This is unconfirmed, a Syrian passport was found near the blown up remains of one of the killers, so no proof it wasn't a fake or stolen. You can't exactly match the face to the photo in this situation....
One killer was a Belgian. Should we kick out all the Belgians in this country? One killer was a local bus driver.... they don't need to sneak in with refugees, they're already here.
What these b*stards want more than anything else is for us all to turn against all muslims and create a total holy war. I don't think we should be helping them out with this.

jonc

Well, here's the rub, that is your interpretation of Islam, it doesn't necessarily mean what you interpret is right. At the end of the day, it is what it is; acts of terrorism to cause maximum damage and untold suffering and division. Worst still, it seems to be working.

daviee

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As I said above who can we trust, I have seen 6 or so peaceful Muslims on social media say " not in my name " on the other hand seen 400,000+ sign a petition. If there was 40,000 uk peaceful Muslims condemning what happened in Paris well....

Martin2005

Personally I find Warren a preacher of hate, and he certainly doesn't say things 'in my name'... Now how do I get that ***** kicked out the country?

I think I should start a petition

lozgti1

Lol

JTaylor

My interpretation of Islam is the same as Islamic State's. The idea that it is a religion of peace is absurd to anyone who knows the book and the man. I'll repeat my question from earlier: have you actually read the Qur'an?

ditchmyster

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JT

Are you married or living in sin?

ditchmyster

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Some good points on both sides of the argument.

So what should we / our illustrious leaders be doing then?

P.S I don't think ordinary muslims or christians are at fault here, plenty of each have died over the years.

What seems strange to me is how so many of you seem to fail to see that this is corporate greed, nothing to do with religion, it's all about control.

Divide and conquer, and it's working if this thread is anything to go by we're doomed.

Why don't ordinary muslims come out and speak out against this, what's going on there? where are the Muslim petitions? why doesn't someone start one?

What stops them speaking out against this on mass?

JTaylor

The latter.

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...l#post11698470

ditchmyster

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As always it depends where you look as to the answers you get, who's right and who's wrong, no one really knows.

http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.p...re_web_service

jonc

There are many who disagree with your interpretation. Equally there are also many who agree and disagree with your interpretation of the Bible. The absurdity is the notion that your interpretation over anyone else is the right one and anything otherwise by anyone else is wrong; everybody is right and everybody is wrong.

In answer to your question, no I haven't. Whether I've read the Qur'ran or not is beside the point, I don't need to read any religious text to know and understand what these terrorist are doing is wrong.

ditchmyster

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So true, especially the last part.