Turbohot

Yes, heard it on the R4 this morning. Not good.

neil-h

I meant more that it's become a bit of a reality of modern life these days, given the same level of concern as the eventuality of having a car crash or getting ran over.

There used to be a time when these things were shocking but these days it's just another piece on the news.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Kashmir is probably one of the safer off the beaten tracks places you can go these days, I was there 2yrs ago and there are that many police and soldiers on the streets the extremists don't stand a chance.

If your oldest wants to go off the beaten track give me a PM, I have good contacts in all the third world off the beaten track type places that will take good care of you and yours and sort all the travel and accommodation if required.

JTaylor

hodgy0_2

Yes, I can see why you post graphs like that, you see the world through the prism of religion, I totally understand that (I have pointed this fact out, on this forum, for at least the last couple of years)

When your only tool is a hammer every problem is, inevitably, going to be a nail

And I can see how ultimately it is comforting, reassuring and self explanatory for both you and jihadists to view the world in this way

But unfortunately it is simply a wrong analysis of the problems facing the human race

hodgy0_2

Edited to add JT that I do not wish in any way to compare you personally to a jihadist butcher

I think you are a good man JT, and I hope you take my point in the spirit I made it

I am sure you will agree these are tough times for humanity

JTaylor

Check out my analysis below; I called it absolutely right.

https://www.scoobynet.com/937281-syr...l#post10642576

You'll stick stubbornly to your secular 'poverty and power' mantra, because that's what you believe and you're too arrogant to go where the truth leads. In 20 years time, if you and I are still battling it out (and I sincerely hope we are) you'll perhaps concede that Salafi-Jihadi Islam was at the root.

JTaylor

I like you, too, you arrogant bugger, and yes these are extraordinarily tough times. I've just spent time quietly praying for our leaders to show wisdom and for God to reveal His plan. I think that without the hope that Jesus brings to my life I would be in despair.

hodgy0_2

That is very sweet of you Ditchy, when she has got ****/gear engaged I may PM you

hodgy0_2

Lol, I am acutely aware of my inadequacies, and actually I am absurdly self critical of myself in every human endeavour

So whilst I appreciate the sentiment, I reject the accusation of arrogance :-)

hedgecutter

iTrader: (5)

You have squarely hit the nail on the head there, Hodgy, if you would pardon the pun. And arrogance is a strong word to use against someone just because they do not share your "belief"; other opposing religions have made a massive contribution to the hatred that fuels fundamental jihadism. SN should be kept secular.

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

He's bashed the hell out of his thumb with that hammer, more like. If you really don't believe that the only thing that matters to ISIS is their religion, try reading a few words by one of the very few people who've actually spent time with them:
http://juergentodenhoefer.de/seven-i...urney/?lang=en

JTaylor

Agreed, I regretted posting it almost immediately. Nonetheless, my badly made point is that we can go on making excuses for Salafist Jihadism forever. The liberals, the ignorant and the plain wrong all blame some or all of the root cause variously on poverty, America, Tony Blair, dis-empowerment, other religions, Islamophobia, greed, western decadence and a myriad other things. They are contributory factors, admittedly, but they are not the root cause. The root cause of Salafist Jihadism is the life, times and teachings of Mohammad. As I said earlier, we have become so conditioned that we are seemingly incapable of recognising the truth of the matter in spite of it being in plain sight! Get courageous and seek the truth and once it's been found proclaim it from the roof tops. We need to shape up!

silver-sub

That was a good read, they really do have some messed up ideology.

hodgy0_2

I did not really take offence hedgecutter, and I can see why people might think me arrogant

after all you don't own the what people think of you - that is their right/prerogative

which is interesting, and related to the whole ISIS/Jihadist issue

I remember listening to a Bush speech, years ago , before the current mess

and it he started to talk about freedom, the "wests"values etc - so so far so ho hum

and then he made a startling claim - ludicrous and arrogant in equal measure

be basically said, in his convoluted way, that the Jihadist had no right to hate America (and by extension the west)

they had no right to hold that view

not that the hate filled view was wrong - he simply denied them the right to even think it

I always thought that was strange and showed a fundamental lack of understanding the whole seismic-ness of the issue

GWJ

So how long is it going to be before this idiot Alex 773 gets booted out of here?

GWJ

Your minutes left on here are numbered idiot, your posts have been reported to the forum admin

JTaylor

With respect, Hodgy, you refuse to accept that this is an Islamic issue. You're on record, going back years, as claiming poverty, education and a lack of empowerment (among other things) as being the causes of Islamism and not the symptoms. Is this any different than Bush (for whom I have very little respect) refusing to accept that "jihadis" had and have the right to hate America? Both positions fly in the face of the evidence. Two sides of the same coin. ;-)

neil-h

Is it just an Islamic issue though? From the reading I've been doing recently I get the impression part of the current issue with IS is the fact the western world doesn't know how to deal with them.

JTaylor

Oh, we don't. Not a scooby. But that wasn't the point I was making. Hodgy says that 'religion' is just a sideshow; I say, as far as Islamic State and other Salafist Jihadis are concerned, it's absolutely the main gig.

neil-h

Agreed. To try and pin it down to one or two social problems is massively oversimplifying the situation.