Martin2005

I'm sure some idiot will start a petition soon

JTaylor

Well it's the only 'solution'. If all Muslims are potential terrorists we better start building 'camps'. Seriously, it's the only place left to go in the argument. Of course, what we need to do is love our Muslim cousins and hope that the outpouring will lead them to condemn Islamism and not the west. Love is the answer, not hate.

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I'd personally see nothing wrong with internment for anyone who's travelled to Syria since the conflict there started. Or at the very least electronic tagging and weekly reporting to a police station.

GWJ

Just don't let them back in. You want to go to Syria, fine, just buy a one way ticket


Over 315000 now and still rising quickly


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516

RAF1

iTrader: (5)

FFS..............! Do you think the media are interested in condemnation or rather keeping public up to date.

I dont like to see anyone murdered regardless of religion / race no more than any other sane human being! Unfortunately the world we live in now isn't so black and white. I have young children growing up in the UK and like many others worry about there future as humans as well as being muslim in the UK and the **** they gonna get because of these Extremists and people putting 2 + 2 and getting 5000...!!!

Just for you from my local rag!
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.u...error_attacks/


"Many on FB saying muslims are celebrating the deaths" my 4rse...!! Comments like these are what cause more problems rather than try getting to the bottom of the issue and or finding a way forward.

Apologies for the rant and my thoughts / prayers are out there with the victims and there families.

Raf

JTaylor

Raf, do you think Islam is in anyway responsible for Islamism?

RAF1

iTrader: (5)

Islamism / Islamist such words are the problem imo. Trying to imply / relate Islam to what is currently going on in the world at the minute..!

For me extremists and terrorists are just that. Extreme 'people' with thoughts and ideologies used to terrorise others for their own agendas. What religion they 'are' or claim to follow does not play a part in it.

To me they are NOT following Islam nor do they represent my thoughts and understandings however trying to explain that to everyone else when such tragedies occur is hard work...

JTaylor

As a Christian, I look at the Book and the Man; as a Muslim, is there anything you see in your book and your man that may lead to violent jihad?

RAF1

iTrader: (5)

No

JTaylor

How do you interpret Surah 9:5?

Peedee

iTrader: (4)

I completely disagree with what you say.

You say that religion does not play a part in what they do, but they do what they do in the name of their religion (which is why they shout Allahu Akbar every time something happens. Translation - 'God is great') Why are they not following Islam? They say they are. Unless you personally wrote the original copy of the Koran, you are not in a position to say whether they are following it or not. If I sat down with Jihadi John and asked him why he does what he does, he will say because it's what his God told him to do.

The problem with all religions, not just Islam, is that it is completely open to personal interpretation. What one person classes as an atrocity that has no place in their religion, another will say that it's what their God says they have to do.......it just depends how that person interprets it, neither of them are right OR wrong.

JTaylor

An extreme Christian is overtly loving, an extreme Muslim, as current events testify, is the polar opposite.

RAF1

iTrader: (5)

Surely then its the individual who is at fault rather than the religion..?

Please I am no expert in my own religion or anyone elses nor do I pretend to be..! I can only say what I know and my own personal experience.

JT I can honestly say I do not know and couldn't tell you - Yes I am a Muslim but by no means an expert on it and I couldn't translate.

RAF1

iTrader: (5)

IMO An extreme Muslim is one who devotes ALL of his life to his religion. Reads / Interprets the Koran. Teaches others the true peaceful meaning of Islam...

RAF1

iTrader: (5)

An Extremist / Terrorist is one who is not right in the head - causes terror regardless of what religion / cause / clan / thoughts he follows..!

JTaylor

Well that's very honest of you and I appreciate that. I suspect there are hundreds of millions of 'cultural' Muslims who are unaware of their book and their man. Peace.

Peedee

iTrader: (4)

I would say no. If it was a single person that had committed an atrocity in the name of religion, you could say that it's probably down to 3rd party factors such as mental issues etc, but we're talking about tens of thousands of people who support the actions of groups such as ISIS.

JTaylor

Salafist/Wahhabi/Qutbist Muslims. Worth researching.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Muslims see their religion as a bond between them and it is indeed a way of life, christians don't see christianity in the same way, some christian dies and it's just another dead bloke to his fellow christians, a muslim dies and it's one of his brothers to his fellow muslims.

Seeing Iraq attacked by the west for christians was just the west replacing an evil dictator (rightly or wrongly) but for muslims it's an attack on their fellow muslims and by association their faith.

neil-h

You could be on to something there. Maybe we could concentrate them into camps.

JTaylor

Close. I've recently lost an older sister in faith and it was like having a limb cut off, but I was consoled by the fact that she went to meet the Lord. There is a notion of the church being the body of Christ, whilst He is the head, but it's less obvious in the secular, post-reformation and enlightenment west.

With regards Islam, there is absolutely a strong doctrine of the collective, although this is often publicly abandoned when violent jihad of the kind shown in Paris puts Muslims in danger if they reside in the dar-al-harab.

RAF1

iTrader: (5)

The point I am 'trying' to make (and not doing a good job of it :-) ) Is I am a Muslim. THe guys that carried out this terror act also say they are Muslim.

So if we both follow Islam - I am here at home on my laptop with the kids watching TV and other chap has just gone and blown himself up and killed others whilst doing so.

Is Islam to blame for his actions and / or his personal choice / circumstances...?

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Not really the same for the vast majority of christians though, one has to be pretty devote to feel the way you do about christianity and you're the distinct minority these days (no offence)

Our religion and I say ours because I was effectively born a christian, is optional, being a Muslim isn't if you're born into a muslim family 99% of the time your religion is your way of life.

It's totally different unless you're on of the very few born into a devote christian family and these days that's more likely in the USA than it is in the UK.

RAF1

iTrader: (5)

Yet being a Muslim and reading the comments on the net I feel I am being judged / verbally abused because of the actions of these terrorists.

As someone mentioned earlier without doubt UK Muslims will have some issues with vendettas and stuff and tit for tat. Which only means more bad news / heartache and tensions.

What I think we need to do is educate and help people understand that these terrorists are NOT doing it in the name of Islam and that 'we' as in all people in all religions are against them and need to show solidarity.

Then you get some crank that says "stick em all on a plane and ship em bak where they came from..!"

JTaylor

Yes. They're familiar with their book and their man.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

I hear you mate, it's much like saying the troubles that were in NI were supported by catholics and protestants in the UK when they blatantly were not.

Crazy people do crazy things.

JTaylor

A Christian is one who believes that the Christ Jesus is the Son of God. If one does not believe this one is not a Christian, but possibly 'culturally' Christian. I agree that the west has a freedom to choose not found in the Islamic community, hence me alluding to the reformation and the enlightenment.

Becoming a Christian is not a work of obedience, being 'Christened' does not make one a Christian, it is to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. To become a Muslim one simply has to have the shahada whispered in to the ear at birth or declare shahada if 'reverting'. It is not a spiritual event in the same way as being born again is.

JTaylor

Christ did not command or perform violence. Mohammad did and this distinction ought to be made.

S204Darren

What a joker

S204Darren

It makes me laugh you taking the **** out of my English! Is that the best you can do just because you don't agree with me. Now that's primary school play ground stuff.