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Old 26 November 2015, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
Just as a matter of interest, what was your contribution in our various conflicts? My apologies if you're a secret military veteran of course.
He was used as a tactical moaner - all part of psychological warfare
Old 26 November 2015, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
Even if it does cost me and the wife £6 a year, personally while I'm no royalist, I recon that's good value for the comedy gold that is Phil the Greek
Old 26 November 2015, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
Just as a matter of interest, what was your contribution in our various conflicts? My apologies if you're a secret military veteran of course.
Myself? None, never been a member of the armed forces, worked for a living instead, (excluding wartime armed forces, or royals here)

Father was RAF throughout WW2, joined in 1939 at the outbreak, demobbed 1946. two uncles also RAF, one killed in 1943.
Grandfather and three great uncles in WW1. G/f and one uncle survived.

That do you?
Old 26 November 2015, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
He was used as a tactical moaner - all part of psychological warfare
hahahahahahahaha, better than being a tactical serial apologist and being morally bankrupt.
Old 26 November 2015, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Myself? None, never been a member of the armed forces, worked for a living instead, (excluding wartime armed forces, or royals here)

Father was RAF throughout WW2, joined in 1939 at the outbreak, demobbed 1946. two uncles also RAF, one killed in 1943.
Grandfather and three great uncles in WW1. G/f and one uncle survived.

That do you?

The answer is no contribution by you at all then. Not a great platform from which to criticise royals that have been there and done it, in however limited a capacity.
Old 26 November 2015, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
hahahahahahahaha, better than being a tactical serial apologist and being morally bankrupt.
I really don't see how being an "apologist" has become something resembling a half baked insult.

As for morally bankrupt, that smacks of the pot calling the kettle right there.
Old 26 November 2015, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
The answer is no contribution by you at all then. Not a great platform from which to criticise royals that have been there and done it, in however limited a capacity.
Just because I WORKED for a living instead of pretending to be in the Army/RAF/Navy all at the same time?
Get real.
Old 26 November 2015, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
I really don't see how being an "apologist" has become something resembling a half baked insult.

As for morally bankrupt, that smacks of the pot calling the kettle right there.
To quote the great left apologist, "I don't have to explain myself".

PS: it wasn't MY stance on miggers that let those into France that killed 129 people, hint hint.
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I don't mind the royal family myself,yes they are expensive and they do employ plenty of people, trouble is there pay is 5hite .....
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Just because I WORKED for a living instead of pretending to be in the Army/RAF/Navy all at the same time?
Get real.

Whining that you worked for a living doesn't cut much ice when you choose to criticise those who have helped to defend the nation. Royals or not, they deserve respect.

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Old 26 November 2015, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
To quote the great left apologist, "I don't have to explain myself".

PS: it wasn't MY stance on miggers that let those into France that killed 129 people, hint hint.
Apart from being completely incorrect in just about every way possible, this post just plunges new depths of idiocy.
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OK maybe I'm being a little over sensitive here due to my father being a Jamaican "black" man.

But am I the only person that finds the term Miggers offensive and derogatory and somehow connected to the term ******, which I think is generally accepted as being offensive to everyone outside of the rap industry.

Just curious.
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
OK maybe I'm being a little over sensitive here due to my father being a Jamaican "black" man.

But am I the only person that finds the term Miggers offensive and derogatory and somehow connected to the term ******, which I think is generally accepted as being offensive to everyone outside of the rap industry.

Just curious.
As a white man I don't draw any parallel between the two words, and i do find Ni99er to be an offensive term.
As has been said many times though, if you choose to be offended, that's your prerogative.
Old 27 November 2015, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
To quote the great left apologist, "I don't have to explain myself".

PS: it wasn't MY stance on miggers that let those into France that killed 129 people, hint hint.
Yes because pulling up the drawbridge and leaving them to deal with the result of a fight we helped start is really morally sound.

Originally Posted by ditchmyster
OK maybe I'm being a little over sensitive here due to my father being a Jamaican "black" man.

But am I the only person that finds the term Miggers offensive and derogatory and somehow connected to the term ******, which I think is generally accepted as being offensive to everyone outside of the rap industry.

Just curious.
I would've said it was a little bit close to the mark, not necessarily offensive to me personally but I can see where you're coming from. It is a funny term for someone to use whilst trying to take the moral high ground.
Old 27 November 2015, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
To quote the great left apologist, "I don't have to explain myself".

PS: it wasn't MY stance on miggers that let those into France that killed 129 people, hint hint.
FFS Jeff do you *ever* read back what you type before you click the post button?


Just in case you are the only person in the known universe (apart from all the Daily Mail readers) who didn't know, those that committed the atrocities in Paris were, with possibly one exception (if you believe that a passport can survive being at the centre of a bomb blast) all French or Belgian nationals.
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Originally Posted by Paben
Whining that you worked for a living doesn't cut much ice when you choose to criticise those who have helped to defend the nation. Royals or not, they deserve respect.
You'll note that I have avoided critcising REAL armed forces personnel.

Those I HAVE criticised have been the royal fakey jakes, one day in the Army, next day the RAF, next day the Navy and mostly none of those, but at home, or clubbing.

Go on...tell me they REALLY defended me in ANY way?
Old 27 November 2015, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Devildog
FFS Jeff do you *ever* read back what you type before you click the post button?


Just in case you are the only person in the known universe (apart from all the Daily Mail readers) who didn't know, those that committed the atrocities in Paris were, with possibly one exception (if you believe that a passport can survive being at the centre of a bomb blast) all French or Belgian nationals.
At least two came through Greece, according to French papers.

But hey, lets keep 'em coming.....
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As far as miggers is concerned, (the word), I use it to describe the fake refugees which are really young, fit male migrants. Nothing more.

if you choose to see it as racist, then I'm afraid the problem is you, not me
Old 27 November 2015, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
As far as miggers is concerned, (the word), I use it to describe the fake refugees which are really young, fit male migrants. Nothing more.

if you choose to see it as racist, then I'm afraid the problem is you, not me
Christ you are a sanctimonious **** aren't you (I don't know why I'm saying this but you have my apologies for the personal insult but words fail me with you sometimes).

You know full well the possible connotations of that term and yet you still persist with this notion that you're right and everybody else is the problem. When the reality is you're just as morally corrupt as you try and make Martin and the rest of the "great left apologists" out to be.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
You'll note that I have avoided critcising REAL armed forces personnel.

Those I HAVE criticised have been the royal fakey jakes, one day in the Army, next day the RAF, next day the Navy and mostly none of those, but at home, or clubbing.

Go on...tell me they REALLY defended me in ANY way?
Andrew flew helicopters in the war zone during the Falklands War


Harry has undertaken two operational tours of Afghanistan, as a Forward Air Controller in 2007/08 and as an Apache Pilot between September 2012 and January 2013.


The Duke of Edinburgh served in the Royal Navy from 1939 to 1952, seeing active service throughout the Second World War.


The rest were fortunate not to have seen conflict.


You, on the other hand, **** your pants at the prospect of having to use pink plaster. Enough said, I think.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
At least two came through Greece, according to French papers.

But hey, lets keep 'em coming.....
You forgot the one from Scunthorpe


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Old 27 November 2015, 02:13 PM
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hahahahahahaha

Sanctimonious? Moi?

I think not. I theeeeenk...not!

Sorry if you dislike being wrong, but I'm afraid you are. The fact that I never joined up doesn't show ME up at all. I had a decent, well-respected job, which I did well enough for a long time.

The Royals, on the other hand, play at being in the forces, when anyone with a ha'porth of sense KNOWS they are playing. If even ONE of them went out and got a proper job.....but they don't. The Belgian Royals do, the Dutch Royals do, but ours persist in this scam that they are in the armed forces. Army one day, navy the next, RAF the next again...playing at it.

And please...don't accuse ME of crapping my pants, when our next but one monarch daren't go out to Afghanistan! Sorry...wasn't allowed to go

I've listed for you what my family did in two wars, when people joined up as a matter of duty. THREE uncles or great uncles lost their lives on actual active service. Remind me again how many royals did?
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I've listed for you what my family did in two wars, when people joined up as a matter of duty. THREE uncles or great uncles lost their lives on actual active service. Remind me again how many royals did?
This comment is in poor taste.
Whilst I salute the courage and sacrifice of your forbears, it is improper for you to denounce the service of others simply based on the fact that they didn't have to make the ultimate sacrifice. By doing so you also denounce all others who so served.
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(Jihadi) Jeff


Its not about being right or wrong here - you are stating (most) your opinion of what you believe is acceptable or not acceptable.


I'm far from a royalist - quite the opposite in fact, but I've got no issue with them swanning around most of the time when they are not carrying out ambassadorial duties. That, after all, is their real job. Whether you accept that to be worthwhile or not is, frankly, not something about which I could give a solitary f*ck.


Time to put up or shut up. What exactly was your job? Perhaps if you let us know we could then have an opinion of how worthwhile we view it as?


I'm also surprised that you seem bitter that no royal lost their life fighting for King/Queen and country in recent years. That's kind of the point. You know. To keep them alive.

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Originally Posted by Devildog
That's kind of the point. You know. To keep them alive.
That's not sufficient for some.
Only blood will do
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Sorry, but you both misunderstood.

I was not asking for any royals to lose their lives...personally, I would wish that on very few people.
My comment was based on the FACT that, Chooky apart, very few of the royals have actual done any REAL active service, just swanned about in the uniform, RAF one day, Army the next, Navy the next, whatever gives them the most fun.

Whereas MY relatives joined up without being conscripted and three made the ultimate sacrifice.

My job? What's that to do with the price of sugar?

Suffice to say it was quite skilled and not one a lot of people would want. And not that well paid, either, but I liked it.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Sorry, but you both misunderstood.

I was not asking for any royals to lose their lives...personally, I would wish that on very few people.
My comment was based on the FACT that, Chooky apart, very few of the royals have actual done any REAL active service, just swanned about in the uniform, RAF one day, Army the next, Navy the next, whatever gives them the most fun.

Whereas MY relatives joined up without being conscripted and three made the ultimate sacrifice.

My job? What's that to do with the price of sugar?

Suffice to say it was quite skilled and not one a lot of people would want. And not that well paid, either, but I liked it.
You're the one that brought it up.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
You'll note that I have avoided critcising REAL armed forces personnel.

Those I HAVE criticised have been the royal fakey jakes, one day in the Army, next day the RAF, next day the Navy and mostly none of those, but at home, or clubbing.

Go on...tell me they REALLY defended me in ANY way?
Well, Prince Harry has actually flown combat missions, actively fired on the enemy, I don't know if he took fire back, but that's not really the point.

Prince Andrew flew rescue missions in the Falklands.

Of course, you could say that anyone higher than Colonel is unlikely to see any direct action, do you have similar contempt for them?

I imagine the Queen and immediate Royal family work harder in one year than you do in ten, and their life is not their own.

Who exactly is the faker here?
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Lol, maybe I can help here, He was a teacher, you know those that can't do teach.

Not wanting to take the p1ss too much because my wife was a teacher, but she also lived an extremely outside of the box type of life before she became a teacher, which is partly how she ended up married to me.
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Lol, maybe I can help here, He was a teacher, you know those that can't do teach.

Not wanting to take the p1ss too much because my wife was a teacher, but she also lived an extremely outside of the box type of life before she became a teacher, which is partly how she ended up married to me.
Mate , you really got to stop hanging around school gates...people will talk



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