Are knackered Subarus faster?
06 January 2016, 03:11 PM
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06 January 2016, 03:22 PM
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I remember similar comments when I suggested I could hit 12`s in my knacked WRX with budget tyres, that can manage 40mpg on a long run.
Even more impressive is that I did 12`s on a cold damp track with muddy tyres. Something a Spec C struggles to manage in the heat of Japan with a racing driver.
#WRXdenial
Even more impressive is that I did 12`s on a cold damp track with muddy tyres. Something a Spec C struggles to manage in the heat of Japan with a racing driver.
#WRXdenial
)As I have said multiple times, go do it, until then, stop making such a fool of yourself!
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06 January 2016, 03:23 PM
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cheers I just thought I was going mildly insane
06 January 2016, 03:24 PM
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06 January 2016, 04:29 PM
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The real problem is, whether you can see it or not you know he's still there, like a stain on the carpet where the cat was sick.
06 January 2016, 10:47 PM
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The newage WRX weighs about 200kg less than an STI
0-60 - the WRX gets to 60 in 2nd gear, the STI needs another gearchange into 3rd (so loses time)
If you compare a standard STI with 265BHP and a remapped WRX with same BHP, the WRX weighs less, has a small, punchy turbo that comes in at low revs, and longer gears (so less time wasted changing gear)
If you want more than 350BHP the STI is the car you need
If you want more than 550BHP, buy the cheapest, good car you can get, model is irrelevant as you would replace/upgrade most of the STI parts anyway
07 January 2016, 02:52 AM
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With similar BHP the WRX can be faster than an STI
The newage WRX weighs about 200kg less than an STI
0-60 - the WRX gets to 60 in 2nd gear, the STI needs another gearchange into 3rd (so loses time)
If you compare a standard STI with 265BHP and a remapped WRX with same BHP, the WRX weighs less, has a small, punchy turbo that comes in at low revs, and longer gears (so less time wasted changing gear)
If you want more than 350BHP the STI is the car you need
If you want more than 550BHP, buy the cheapest, good car you can get, model is irrelevant as you would replace/upgrade most of the STI parts anyway
The newage WRX weighs about 200kg less than an STI
0-60 - the WRX gets to 60 in 2nd gear, the STI needs another gearchange into 3rd (so loses time)
If you compare a standard STI with 265BHP and a remapped WRX with same BHP, the WRX weighs less, has a small, punchy turbo that comes in at low revs, and longer gears (so less time wasted changing gear)
If you want more than 350BHP the STI is the car you need
If you want more than 550BHP, buy the cheapest, good car you can get, model is irrelevant as you would replace/upgrade most of the STI parts anyway
Also wrx stock internals aren't as good as sti stock internals which on ,for example, a 98 are good for upto 400bhp, you have said if you want more than 350, the statement should surely read if you want 350-550?
Also i get what you're saying r.e gear ratio but surely if that's a massive problem it isn't that expensive just to get some new gear rings?
Again the main point though is you haven't specified what year of car... Do you mean brand new sti and wrx comparison? Or old? Or is it true for ALL the Impreza line?
Sorry if I've misunderstood, just looks like selective memory from an outsiders point of view
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07 January 2016, 04:05 AM
#73
He is talking Newage WRX v's Newage STI and most of what he says is indeed correct except the weight, I think it's somewhere around 80 to 100kg, so a bit like having a fat bird in the front seat when you compare modded or PPP Wrx to a standard STI, I wouldn't go so far on the modded v's modded though as there are way too many variables.
The Wrx weighs less mostly due to it's gearbox, sti box is heavier also a few other bits like bigger brakes and the giant spoiler that only generates drag up to about 120mph won't help in the straight line stats either.
The 350bhp thing is related to the accepted limit of the 5 speed gearbox, that said there are those that have run more and got away with it and there are also those that have run less and broken one, same can be said of the STI box although the general consensus is they are good for 600bhp.
Sti is the stronger base if you want to mod your car and intend to drive it hard for prolonged periods ie on track also comes with better brakes, stiffer suspension etc out of the box.
Wrx makes for a better daily as the longer gears and softer suspension are more user friendly, also cheaper to run as it's better on fuel and things like brake pads are cheaper, also doesn't appear to be as hard on clutches either, mine is still on original at 122k STI's seem to only make it to around 70k before they need a new clutch.
when you compare modded or PPP Wrx to a standard STI, I wouldn't go so far on the modded v's modded though as there are way too many variables.The Wrx weighs less mostly due to it's gearbox, sti box is heavier also a few other bits like bigger brakes and the giant spoiler that only generates drag up to about 120mph won't help in the straight line stats either.
The 350bhp thing is related to the accepted limit of the 5 speed gearbox, that said there are those that have run more and got away with it and there are also those that have run less and broken one, same can be said of the STI box although the general consensus is they are good for 600bhp.
Sti is the stronger base if you want to mod your car and intend to drive it hard for prolonged periods ie on track also comes with better brakes, stiffer suspension etc out of the box.
Wrx makes for a better daily as the longer gears and softer suspension are more user friendly, also cheaper to run as it's better on fuel and things like brake pads are cheaper, also doesn't appear to be as hard on clutches either, mine is still on original at 122k STI's seem to only make it to around 70k before they need a new clutch.
07 January 2016, 06:55 AM
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I don't get the "everyday car" thing.
People buy the impreza for one thing... Performance and the sti is streets ahead.
Both are rubbish everyday cars,crap mpg,crap interior...
If you want a comfortable quick everyday car modern deisels are much better.
People buy the impreza for one thing... Performance and the sti is streets ahead.
Both are rubbish everyday cars,crap mpg,crap interior...
If you want a comfortable quick everyday car modern deisels are much better.
07 January 2016, 08:59 AM
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I disagree, my modified WRX is an every day car and it's great to live with on a daily basis. I've gone down the route of 2nd daily diesel cars years ago with other performance cars like RX7's, pulsars, Lancia Delta Integrales and other fast exotica I've owned as they were just not comfortable on a daily basis. But the Subaru is just great! I use iut for daily nursery runs and to work and yet it has masses of power and fun when needed!
With regards to WRX v STI drag racing, I think you'll find as ditch says the the WRX is quicker 0-60 due to gearing and 1 less gear change, but actuall 1/4 mile run times are still faster with greater terminal speeds in the STI. Lots of testing and info proving this.
With regards to WRX v STI drag racing, I think you'll find as ditch says the the WRX is quicker 0-60 due to gearing and 1 less gear change, but actuall 1/4 mile run times are still faster with greater terminal speeds in the STI. Lots of testing and info proving this.
07 January 2016, 09:06 AM
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With regards to WRX v STI drag racing, I think you'll find as ditch says the the WRX is quicker 0-60 due to gearing and 1 less gear change, but actuall 1/4 mile run times are still faster with greater terminal speeds in the STI. Lots of testing and info proving this.
07 January 2016, 09:08 AM
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Boring is "should have bought the STI."
07 January 2016, 09:09 AM
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A 330bhp WRX is pretty much maxed out but they beauty of the WRX is with a few weight saving mods and mods to save power just at the wheels then it'll easily keep up with a maxed STI (450hp) over 400 yards and maybe even 700hp STIs over 100 yards.
Boring is "should have bought the STI."
Boring is "should have bought the STI."
shhhh....
I thought you were keeping quiet until we all had proof of your 11's 300lb/ft WRX?
07 January 2016, 09:29 AM
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It isn't just gearing there are many variables.
WRX is 90kg lighter (20hp equivalent)
WRX has better gearing as mentioned
WRX has heavier launch friendly flywheel
WRX has less drag
WRX has less transmission losses
I would say the WRX has narrower tyres reducing rolling resistance but most folks run aftermarket setups.
And the lightweight 290hp TD04 equipped WRX`s running 12`s they have quicker spool.
In stock form the STI usually just nips the 1/4 mile in tests but as you mod each car the WRX is far better at getting more of it's hp down to the wheels due to it's weaker but lighter transmission and brakes etc. Its all compromise and car use but the WRX goes far quicker for less.
A 225hp WRX losses to a 265hp on the strip by a fraction
A 265hp WRX comfortably beats a 265hp STI on the strip
A 305hp WRX annhilates a 265hp STI on the strip
07 January 2016, 09:32 AM
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Didnt you film a mate running a 500hp STi WR1 who struggled to 12`s and posted an horrific 60 foot?
There seems to be a pattern forming!
07 January 2016, 09:36 AM
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Just for some side line info here.
Prodrive's official before and after figures for PPP on a blobeye WRX & STI, most thought these figures unattainable, but I think they're a bit slow? But they were at absolute full weight, I'm sure?
WRX:
0-60:
Standard 5.5s
PPP 4.8s
0-100:
Standard 15.9s
PPP 14.1s
1/4 Mile
Standard 14.3s
PPP 13.7s
STi:
0-60:
Standard 5.17s
PPP 4.62s
0-100:
Standard 13.69
PPP 12.2
1/4 Mile
Standard 13.9s
PPP 13.44s
PDF Links:
WRX: http://www.subaruclub.net/foorum_pic...MY-WRX-PPP.pdf
STi: http://www.subaruclub.net/foorum_pic...MY-STI-PPP.pdf
Prodrive's official before and after figures for PPP on a blobeye WRX & STI, most thought these figures unattainable, but I think they're a bit slow? But they were at absolute full weight, I'm sure?
WRX:
0-60:
Standard 5.5s
PPP 4.8s
0-100:
Standard 15.9s
PPP 14.1s
1/4 Mile
Standard 14.3s
PPP 13.7s
STi:
0-60:
Standard 5.17s
PPP 4.62s
0-100:
Standard 13.69
PPP 12.2
1/4 Mile
Standard 13.9s
PPP 13.44s
PDF Links:
WRX: http://www.subaruclub.net/foorum_pic...MY-WRX-PPP.pdf
STi: http://www.subaruclub.net/foorum_pic...MY-STI-PPP.pdf
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07 January 2016, 09:38 AM
#85
No pattern at all. What you're comparing is driver skill/car abuse, not the actual car ability. If a 500-700bhp car runs a slower 60ft it only means they either lag grip, or they bogged down. With increased power, increased grip is required for straight line launches. But as I keep telling you, most don't really care about the 1/4 mile...
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07 January 2016, 09:59 AM
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On his first run, since it was built! He then went on to run a 10.8! Jag's car was very fast.
No pattern at all. What you're comparing is driver skill/car abuse, not the actual car ability. If a 500-700bhp car runs a slower 60ft it only means they either lag grip, or they bogged down. With increased power, increased grip is required for straight line launches. But as I keep telling you, most don't really care about the 1/4 mile...
No pattern at all. What you're comparing is driver skill/car abuse, not the actual car ability. If a 500-700bhp car runs a slower 60ft it only means they either lag grip, or they bogged down. With increased power, increased grip is required for straight line launches. But as I keep telling you, most don't really care about the 1/4 mile...
Tbh scoobydoo there's only you who ive seen launch an STI well and ive seen 100s of STI drag runs. Though you did have launch control!!!!
Theres nothing to make me want such an inefficient hard to launch car. Sure the boxmakes the STI faster at over 450hp but at those power levels the IMO all important 0-60 becomes an absolute pig. You're only improving 60mph+ acceleration and in most cases killing spool. I think STI drivers would be happier with an MX5 at times. Slow but handles great on a track!
07 January 2016, 10:10 AM
#87
It's not all about exactly how fast people go though. For most, the STi inspires more confidence, is more fun because of the short ratios making it feel faster.
There's more to it than just how fast you can go in a straight line.
What you do with your campaign against the STi is just making you look silly. No doubt a WRX can be faster in a straight line with less power. Weight. End of.
But your sub 3sec 0-60mph claim, your getting into the 11s claim, all nonsense until you do it. Until then, please for the sanity of us all, stop it.
Once you do it, prove it. Go buy VBOX or something, only then will people take you seriously.
There's more to it than just how fast you can go in a straight line.
What you do with your campaign against the STi is just making you look silly. No doubt a WRX can be faster in a straight line with less power. Weight. End of.
But your sub 3sec 0-60mph claim, your getting into the 11s claim, all nonsense until you do it. Until then, please for the sanity of us all, stop it.
Once you do it, prove it. Go buy VBOX or something, only then will people take you seriously.
07 January 2016, 10:16 AM
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STI owners who accept the acceleration differences always use the excuse that handling and braking is why it's better than the WRX. I`ve actually raced big powered STI`s/EVO`s on a local track and the difference in straight line speed is so breathtakingly staggering that it takes corners out of play completely. I take corners in 1st in my WRX and look back to see mr STI coming round in 2nd or 3rd waiting to spool or stop spinning!
I`m not a good driver, even my 12.6 was heavily critisised on here for a "babied launch," so the fact the WRX is so much faster than it's rivals is fantastic for us bottleless grannyshifters.
I`m not a good driver, even my 12.6 was heavily critisised on here for a "babied launch," so the fact the WRX is so much faster than it's rivals is fantastic for us bottleless grannyshifters.
07 January 2016, 10:25 AM
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It's not all about exactly how fast people go though. For most, the STi inspires more confidence, is more fun because of the short ratios making it feel faster.
There's more to it than just how fast you can go in a straight line.
What you do with your campaign against the STi is just making you look silly. No doubt a WRX can be faster in a straight line with less power. Weight. End of.
But your sub 3sec 0-60mph claim, your getting into the 11s claim, all nonsense until you do it. Until then, please for the sanity of us all, stop it.
Once you do it, prove it. Go buy VBOX or something, only then will people take you seriously.
There's more to it than just how fast you can go in a straight line.
What you do with your campaign against the STi is just making you look silly. No doubt a WRX can be faster in a straight line with less power. Weight. End of.
But your sub 3sec 0-60mph claim, your getting into the 11s claim, all nonsense until you do it. Until then, please for the sanity of us all, stop it.
Once you do it, prove it. Go buy VBOX or something, only then will people take you seriously.
If I can manage 12.6 on a cold damp day with muddy budget tyres then 11.9 isn't a ludicrous target, tbh I`m looking beyond that but I don't want to face too much derision. But I get the feel thing, my wife`s 300lbft Golf TDi felt quicker than my WRX because spool was 1800 rpm v 3800rpm and the Golf had a 6 speed. If i was in the wrong gear the golf would have spanked me.
The golf didn't handle too smartly though.
"Should have got the R32"
Last edited by RS_Matt; 07 January 2016 at 10:27 AM.
