Scripture vs. the facts.
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Can you imagine how dull it would all be if we all thought the same way, as long as we have respect for others opinions without agreeing with them (with a few excretions) then it can't be all bad.
The exceptions are;
STI is better than WRX
Arsenal are better than Tottenham
Marmite is better than Bovril
Out is better than in
Chas is better than Dave
Ok, off topic a little, but bored and the other topics didn't inspire me
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Mind you,the ****er left me nothing this year ,however I think that might be related to the divorce :-)
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I know he made a few howlers!
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Loz, read this thread again - watch the videos I have posted
Science does not have all the answers, unlike religion, it does not claim to
But it provides (and has provided) a framework to move humanity from sh1tting in a cave to sending a probe to Pluto and the universe beyond
Religion can NEVER do that, it simply does not have the apparatus - it is the end of mans enquiry not the beginning
Science (again shorthand for critical thinking and rational thought) does not get everything right, it admits it's foibles, it makes the odd mistake it is self correcting, but crucially moves ever forward. In the end **** science simply does not work
Oh science deniers make hay over the minor disagreements in the science - but the central narrative remains robust
it gets there, it is the best chance we have
Don't let dogma and superstition leads us to hell
Science does not have all the answers, unlike religion, it does not claim to
But it provides (and has provided) a framework to move humanity from sh1tting in a cave to sending a probe to Pluto and the universe beyond
Religion can NEVER do that, it simply does not have the apparatus - it is the end of mans enquiry not the beginning
Science (again shorthand for critical thinking and rational thought) does not get everything right, it admits it's foibles, it makes the odd mistake it is self correcting, but crucially moves ever forward. In the end **** science simply does not work
Oh science deniers make hay over the minor disagreements in the science - but the central narrative remains robust
it gets there, it is the best chance we have
Don't let dogma and superstition leads us to hell
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I admit I've skipped a few pages now we are up to 800 plus posts!
Will have a wander back through and check them out
Will have a wander back through and check them out
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I definitely believe in you Swati
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I definitely believe in you Swati
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I personally believe the universe started with the Big Bang but the only evidence I can provide is the documentation of others.
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Problem is what you've just described covers the majority of the populations experience of science. Unless you've actually been directly involved in the experiments/observations, all you have is the second hand evidence based on what they documented (much like religious types).
I personally believe the universe started with the Big Bang but the only evidence I can provide is the documentation of others.
I personally believe the universe started with the Big Bang but the only evidence I can provide is the documentation of others.
But, I could, if I had the resources, or the drive, repeat those experiments. I can also read different accounts of the same experiment, I could build up a picture of what is correct by cross referencing. The bible is a single source, it has no contemporary sources to support it. Other texts of the time are in contradiction of it.
The Big Bang obviously we cannot ever see it , but we have seen stuff from very close to when it happened, we can re-create conditions even close in the LHC.
None of the above can be said for religion.
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Amen ;-)
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The false dichotomy of science v. faith. Don't believe it kids! You can have a rich spiritual life and an understanding of the world around you via the scientific method. The scientism of Geezer, Bulldog and Hodgy offers only the latter.
Romans 1:25 prophesied:
"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator who is forever praised."
Romans 1:25 prophesied:
"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator who is forever praised."
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We've covered this in this thread already though. True, I have not been to the moon, I have not done genetics, I don't a particle accelerator etc.
But, I could, if I had the resources, or the drive, repeat those experiments. I can also read different accounts of the same experiment, I could build up a picture of what is correct by cross referencing. The bible is a single source, it has no contemporary sources to support it. Other texts of the time are in contradiction of it.
The Big Bang obviously we cannot ever see it , but we have seen stuff from very close to when it happened, we can re-create conditions even close in the LHC.
None of the above can be said for religion.
But, I could, if I had the resources, or the drive, repeat those experiments. I can also read different accounts of the same experiment, I could build up a picture of what is correct by cross referencing. The bible is a single source, it has no contemporary sources to support it. Other texts of the time are in contradiction of it.
The Big Bang obviously we cannot ever see it , but we have seen stuff from very close to when it happened, we can re-create conditions even close in the LHC.
None of the above can be said for religion.
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The false dichotomy of science v. faith. Don't believe it kids! You can have a rich spiritual life and an understanding of the world around you via the scientific method. The scientism of Geezer, Bulldog and Hodgy offers only the latter.
Romans 1:25 prophesied:
"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator who is forever praised."
Romans 1:25 prophesied:
"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator who is forever praised."
I am afraid it is not an either / or
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There is simply no evidence for a global flood etc etc
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No you don't. You're a materialist who espouses scientism.
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You really do talk some utter s##t,
If science proved that God exists then that fact will be accepted by me and all the other "physicalists"
If science somehow proves that God doesn't exist then I don't believe for a second that all the "spiritualists" would be so ready to accept that fact
The way I see it is that ghosts, leprechauns, bigfoot, aliens all MAY exist but until such time that it is proven then why would I choose to believe it? That would be completely illogical. Like I have said before It actually makes me sad that u would waste any amount of ur short time on this earth praying for me.
The fact that you would do that suggests you believe praying will make a difference, it won't. Do you honestly believe it will?
If science proved that God exists then that fact will be accepted by me and all the other "physicalists"
If science somehow proves that God doesn't exist then I don't believe for a second that all the "spiritualists" would be so ready to accept that fact
The way I see it is that ghosts, leprechauns, bigfoot, aliens all MAY exist but until such time that it is proven then why would I choose to believe it? That would be completely illogical. Like I have said before It actually makes me sad that u would waste any amount of ur short time on this earth praying for me.
The fact that you would do that suggests you believe praying will make a difference, it won't. Do you honestly believe it will?
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You really do talk some utter s##t,
If science proved that God exists then that fact will be accepted by me and all the other "physicalists"
If science somehow proves that God doesn't exist then I don't believe for a second that all the "spiritualists" would be so ready to accept that fact
The way I see it is that ghosts, leprechauns, bigfoot, aliens all MAY exist but until such time that it is proven then why would I choose to believe it? That would be completely illogical. Like I have said before It actually makes me sad that u would waste any amount of ur short time on this earth praying for me.
The fact that you would do that suggests you believe praying will make a difference, it won't. Do you honestly believe it will?
If science proved that God exists then that fact will be accepted by me and all the other "physicalists"
If science somehow proves that God doesn't exist then I don't believe for a second that all the "spiritualists" would be so ready to accept that fact
The way I see it is that ghosts, leprechauns, bigfoot, aliens all MAY exist but until such time that it is proven then why would I choose to believe it? That would be completely illogical. Like I have said before It actually makes me sad that u would waste any amount of ur short time on this earth praying for me.
The fact that you would do that suggests you believe praying will make a difference, it won't. Do you honestly believe it will?
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I'm humbled (kowtows). But just one thing. Please don't scribble this on your calendar or anywhere else. I can't be doing with a headache for f**k all, that's all. I just don't need that drama in my peaceful life.
Hodgy, if you understand what you understand, merely on the star dust level, then you are a materialist. If you start understanding what you understand on transcendental level, you can become a spiritualist.
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Hodgy, if you understand what you understand, merely on the star dust level, then you are a materialist. If you start understanding what you understand on transcendental level, you can become a spiritualist.
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I'm humbled (kowtows). But just one thing. Please don't scribble this on your calendar or anywhere else. I can't be doing with a headache for f**k all, that's all. I just don't need that drama in my peaceful life.
Hodgy, if you understand what you understand, merely on the star dust level, then you are a materialist. If you start understanding what you understand on transcendental level, you can become a spiritualist.
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Hodgy, if you understand what you understand, merely on the star dust level, then you are a materialist. If you start understanding what you understand on transcendental level, you can become a spiritualist.
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