I knew you'd appreciate that, Joz. Here, have some Stewart Lee:

 

She has the power to (potentially) break up the UK!

Scotland voted to remain in the UK on the basis of EU membership as part of UK. Now the UK is leaving the EU, that moves the goal posts. If the Scottish had another independence vote now, its pretty sure they would leave!

She's the elected first minister for Scotland, she has a lot of power!

 

Yeah, that SL skit is so intelligent.

Without watching it again, is it the one where he goes, "I love ALL the cheeses..."


Hands down, my favourite comedian.

 

LOL Rusian invasion )))))) where this came from ? )))

 

No.

 

Just over 3 million Scots voted to remain, but over 2 milllion voted to leave. There's nothing certain about the entirely different vote to leave or stay as part of the UK. Whatever power she may have thought she had her experience in Brussles put her firmly back in her place.

 

lol

I'm getting my skits mixed up.

Will watch later, for sure (I can't believe I ain't seen it, though).

 

Not impossible, but probably unlikely! The most probably chance to stay in is the government either won't enact article 50 either through a commons vote or a decission that its not really in the public interest due to the reaction to the vote and how close it was, or they will have a general election to get a mandate to enact article 50.

At the moment I'd rate the following possibilities
20% chance of not enacting article 50
50% chance of agreeing a Norway type deal
20% chance of a Swiss type deal
10% chance of no deal at all

 

Stop politics beter help me i want to add more power to my 2004 Impreza , any ideas ?
https://www.scoobynet.com/members-ga...r-to-vf34.html

 

Umm, i know it was a close vote, but that ahouldnt matter,

I voted out, i think the whole thing has been protrayed and handled very cleverly by big busniess. Alot of rich people have got richer.

What it does show sadly is the in fighting and the lack of leadership this county needs to guide us through.

If theh do strike a deal, id like it to be one were we have a choice and not forced to do things, were we can review what they tell us

 

Well something needs to be done.Two politicians on the leave side,and one nominated himself to run for primeminister just to block the other one.
This has been an important decision people had to decide and vote on,and these d1ckheads are just playing around...

Oh well,Brussels here I come 😉

 

Ah yes of course, the "Paul Nuttalls from Ukips" one.

"... You get back in the sea! You finned c**t."

Howl!

 

awesome

 

Nothing, nothing, nothing...

 

Hoot. Taking it right back to the (massively flawed) argument's logical conclusion.


"What's wrong with...with worshipping trees!"

 

Not a chance

 

I suspect what will happen is that despite EU protestations to the contrary, back channel negotiations will take place over the summer

The new PM will only push the button when the basic outline of a deal has been worked out

It will undoubtedly be a fudge - trading access with free movement

A slightly better deal than Norway - spun like politicians do from both side as a victory


In reality the UK will carry on just slightly sh!tter - the people who assume a Brexit was a panacea to their problems will be disappointed

It will do nothing for inequality - probably making it slightly worse

And all for a couple of w4nkers ego and careers

 

I think after Scotland will leave N ireland. I dont think that this referendum will make UK beter, i think it will crush it and rip apart.

 

A few days ago I stated that we need a true statesman of the highest calibre like Tony Blair to negotiate on behalf of the UK for a deal with the EU. Is he hinting that he is offering his services? I hope so.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-talks-that-w/

 

Still not going counter chillcot revelations !

 

Tony Blair wants to be brexit negotiator.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36678222

 

Bliar? Aye, let's pay the **** even more. AND he told us to stay in........

 

Agreed to a point, however oil prices are not as relevant to Scotland's in/out (of the UK) views as the result of the Brexit vote is. (I could reiterate the reasons why independence wasn't based solely on oil, but I suspect that may fall on deaf ears here)

I know a lot of educated, intelligent and considered individuals who feel so strongly about the EU position that they have openly stated they would support both the SNP in an independence vote this time around.

Don't underestimate the depth of pro EU feeling in Scotland just now. Its quite possibly running higher than the support for remaining in the UK.

 

Jon,

I was going to give you a thumbs up over your well considered and apparently intelligent response at post 3202 to my earlier post.

However, having just read this one it is clear that you are clinically insane and therefore anything you have or will post is simply the rantings of a madman

 

I saw that interview on newsnight last night, she was painting a very grim picture and shes the one we do the trade deal with, so I suspect (although not 100% convinced) she might be right.

What I didn't know before that interview, and she seemed pretty convinced about it, was that the 2 year article 50 negotiations are purely negotiating exit terms and would not include any trade deals with the EU. Any trade deals would first start after the exit talks are completed. She made it out that this was the case whichever way we go, but I suspect it would not be the case if we took a Norway deal as an exit plan that would implicitly involve all the EU trade deals.

Part of the problem is nobody really considered the full consequences and people are only now starting to look into the real details of what's involved. You open up one can of worms and once you've sorted that out, you find another can of worms was hidden inside!

I really don't envy the poor civil servants that will have to sort through all this!

 

I saw that interview too - and on face value, quite scary

but reality will prevail on both sides

May has already said if the gets the PM role she will not push the button - not until at least the end of the year

I suspect the reason is she will want to have some understanding of the basic outline of the deal

whatever the EU and the UK say in the media - negotiations at some level will be taking place

it will inevitably be some sort of Norwegian deal, trading market access for free movement - at some level

everyone will hail it a victory

the sane member of the UK population will simple do a collective facepalm

 

yes it was interesting because on the Scottish independence thread

I was very much for keeping the union (I think I said that peoples / organisation / countries are always better working together - one reason I voted remain, amongst many)

but on the other hand I admired the Scott's optimism, engagement and general grasp of the arguments (sorely lacking in this referendum)

and I suspected that the EU issue would come back to bite - if we voted out

 

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Blair and I firmly believe that actions he took, along with Bush, set a course on the destabalising of the whole of the Middle East culminating in what we currently see now, a rise of ISIS and terror attacks on the West.

Though it is difficult to cast aside his past, and the Chilcot report will be out within a week, and will no doubt be completely scathing of Blair. But you cannot ignore the way he navigated his way through the Chilcot inquiry. That took some skill and ultimately, whilst not fully exonerating himself, meant the whole inquiry was unable to prove he broke any laws and ultimately have any charges brought against him.

This is why I think Blair is the best negotiator the UK has in order to get the best deal from the EU. Forget party politics, this is about securing the best possible exit from the EU. If that means I'm mad then so be it, you are entitled to your opinions.

 

[QUOTE=cuprajake;11853195]Not really kept up with all this, but serious question.

Is there any chance they will hild another referendum?[/QUOTE]


I don't think there is a snowball's chance of a 2nd Referendum. But I am not sure it would be such an undemocratic plan as claimed.


It's fair to say that the last week has begun to reveal the reality of what LEAVE actually means and I am certain that many LEAVE voters voted on a whim and are now regretting their decision. I doubt if they realised that a LEAVE vote could throw Scotland into disarray, perhaps lead to a United Ireland and hasten the break up of the EU quite apart from causing so much mayhem for both political parties. Add to that the possible restrictions that could apply to our youngsters who may want to work, travel and study freely in Europe.


So would it be so wrong to ask them again? It would have to take place in an environment which ensured that no more political pressure was applied to either side.


If we buy goods on-line we often change our minds when they arrive and see what they are really like so isn't a second chance a similar thing now the picture is so much clearer? This would give a fairer idea of what we want.


What might be more acceptable would be for a general election with one side stating that they would not invoke Chapter 50.


David