<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leavers: 'Give us parliamentary sovereignty!'<br>High Court: 'MPs must vote on Article 50<br>Leavers: 'We'll appeal to European Court of Justice!'</p>&mdash; John Prescott (@johnprescott) <a href="https://twitter.com/johnprescott/status/794161417985392640">3 November 2016</a></blockquote>
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Couldn't we just adopt the euro..

the pounds going down the toilet

 

But there is an argument that people really didn't know what they were voting for but now have a clearer idea of the consequences. Even now the concept remains clouded in unknowns. Perhaps a referendum was a bad idea in the first place? A referendum on hanging gives a straightforward view of public opinion; it's not the same for leaving EU. Should have been an election issue and then decided in Parliament. David

 

Short term view tells us nothing but the faults with the financial system.

We don't have a clearer picture of the consequences at all, the only people saying that are those who never accepted the result.

They said the economy would go down the pan, well guess what, it hasn't. The current issue of inflation is purely based on the pound, when that goes back up the problem will stop.

Growth forecasts are all being revised up because of the paranoia and pessimism of the financial markets.

 

Why And when would you say the pound will rise again ?

 

Beat me to it...hoping for some pearls of wisdom to make my fortune; who'd have thought I'd strike gold on SN

 

So ignore the panic, doom and gloom for a minute and think,

What has actually changed? Have factories shut? have people stopped spending? Have we lost all skills and abilities we had 3 months ago?

Real figures that are now coming out are now showing they haven't.

Short term there was always going to be a shock, no one claimed anything different. However it is showing in the financial market, not at the checkouts.

Big business's are now saying they are staying and are planning investment.

Even the bank of England and that cretin Carney are having to eat humble pie, rates should never have been dropped 3 months ago and when they go back up the pound will recover the lost ground over the long term.

 

No. As I said it is all still very murky but I think it is now much clearer that Brexit will cause turmoil in Scotland and could have very serious consequences for the delicate Eire/NI relationship which took so much bitterness and bloodshed to just about bring peace. And now thousands of Brits working in Europe don't haven't a clue what their status will be in a couple of years. And now it's clear that the taxpayer will end up subsidising/bribing Nissan type companies, high rollers, to keep them in UK.


david

 

I think iv got it

It's when we've managed reinstate our manufacturing base to the same level as say a China

 

that's the whole point - nothing has changed

but the BOE injected half a trillion dollars into the economy, a week after the vote

the Government still had to give assurance to Nissan

I don't blame anyone for taking what the BOE say with a pinch of salt - they get it wrong more often than the get it right

 

 

You're forgetting one thing; we haven't actually left the EU yet nor even invoked Article 50, the forecasts predicting turmoil was for leaving the EU. The current volatility in the economy as a whole is due to the uncertainty following the referendum. So don't count your chickens yet, as Boris Johnson says, leaving the EU will be a "Titanic success" and that iceberg is looming!! Great analogy as I'm guessing the rich will safely make their escape, the steerage on the otherhand.....

 

Because of this court ruling if the MP's decide to not to give the go-ahead and we 'dont' leave the EU after I voted to leave I will never vote ever again in any elections ever, as my vote would be worthless and a waste of my time,
If the MP's are not going to listen to the majority of voters in the referendum, then im not going to waste my time voting for there party if there not going to listen anyway and do what they think/want whats best for them.

 

They will vote to leave. I don't think there's any serious person suggesting parliament will overturn the referendum.

The important thing is that parliament is central to the decisions about how we leave the EU.

This whole argument is so full of irony I could cry. People who wanted to leave complaining because a British court is applying British law in the interest of the British people. You really couldn't make it up.

 

MPs need to think very carefully how they vote (if they vote) especially if they were to vote down Brexit in a Brexit seat. The people have spoken, and if our representatives adopt a 'We know better' attitude then I think we would be in a for some pretty explosive times.

 

MPs don't always do what the people want. Back to my hanging analogy. It's certain that a referendum would demand the death sentence for murderers and perhaps even paedos but this will never be voted for in Parliament. Thank goodness I would say. But is an MP's first duty to the people or to his constituents? Not always the same. David

 

Their , their .

First time voter ?


Really curious to know the reasoning behind die hard outer

 

LOL pot-kettle!

Check out your own dithery doo, you fiftieth time voter!:

Shakespeare must be breaking dinner plates in his grave!

 

Oih missus, I've voted plenty.

Just can't see rational explanation for actually being violently opposed to eu membership.

 

Lol at all the brexiteers getting up in arms about our Parliament and Legal system being sovereign after all

The British public voted for "Brexit", but there was no definition about what Brexit means. If the terms of Brexit had been laid out before the referendum, then one could argue that the public voted for a specific status and it could be binding - although if a specific meaning of Brexit had been laid out in advance, then remain probably would have won the vote!

Given that the public didn't know exactly what they were voting for, it's very much a good thing that the parliament oversees the governments actual plans. Theresa May has gone on about how Brexit means Brexit - but the reality up to this point is Brexit means whatever Theresa May wants it to mean, which is akin to a dictatorship. With this court ruling Brexit means what Parliament wants it to mean, which is democracy!

It doesn't mean that we're not going to leave the EU, it just means that parliament will decide what that means rather than an unelected prime minister!

 

I don't see this as a big issue. If the Supreme case upholds the decision. Government will put the decision to parliament to invoke article 50. Those who can't face going against their constituents will most likely abstain. Article will be triggered.

IF Mps are stupid enough to go against the majority decision, likely a snap general election will held and all those who went against the referendum better watch out for their seat. It will be advertised everywhere who disregarded the constituents. New government with likely a bigger majority vote it through unhindered.

If if if this all fails then their will be huge right wing groups appear like in lots of European countries and no party will feel safe.

 

Hasn't Nige called it quits ?

 

exactly

and the if you read some of the statements the Judges laid down, quite frightening really

The three judges, the lord chief justice, Lord Thomas, the master of the rolls, Sir Terence Etherton, and lord justice Sales at one stage dismissed the government’s argument as being “divorced from reality”.

 

Don't forget the millions of 17 year olds that won't be their friend any more come election time and the millions that genuinely feel duped, they won't be their friend either.

We already have huge right wing groups, maybe we should get rid of them rather than the EU.

 

All this talk of mass discontent should parliament vote against invoking article 50 forgets one thing, the vast amount of voter remorse that was shown post Brexit. How many people that voted to leave would actually stand by that decision now? Smart money says if they reran the referendum then the result would probably go the other way.

 

Polls show that the majority would now vote remain, I believe it 100% but it's just a poll.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7395811.html

 

Still a very slim majority, which is a little surprising

But tbh I see little real evidence of widespread buyers remorse

You (me) have to be careful of not living in a self referential bubble

 

More pointless wishful thinking. People say a lot of things when no commitment is involved, as very many misleading polls have proven over the years. The public made its decision and I seriously doubt parliament would dare to interfere with the outcome.

 

didn't the polls say that prior to the real vote showing different?

 

The voting public made a decision not the public.

The worst thing about this referendum and the current US election for me is the scary level of underhand techniques used to sway the public and the amount of people easily swayed. If you can get people to pay to vote on TV you can easily get them to vote for free with just a few promises.