That's a foolish claim, on that basis all general elections fail too.

 

Have you taken bupa membership paben ?

Now that 350 mill evaporated

 

Already signed up, but have you?

 

about what exactly

about the single market, the Tariff Free Area, Financial services pass-porting rights, Academic cooperation, research funding, the status of ex pat workers, the status of ex pat pensioners, the status of EU nationals working and paying tax in the UK, inter European crime and judicial cooperation, European arrest warrants, Regional development funding, Farm agricultural subsidies, pan European patent legislation hundreds of other issues etc etc

yes yes, we voted for Brexit and Brexit means Brexit

but what else

 

Accurate though.

 

Used Bupa private health care for years. The quicker the health service goes private the better

 

Have you forgotten already? The public voted for the UK to leave the EU rather than remain a member, quite simple. Or are you suggesting that we should have required referenda to be held on each related issue? I hope not.

 

I see that this line of arguing was too much for a Tory MP who just resigned. He supported the leave campaign, but wanted to stay in the Single Market.


The problem is that the devil is in the detail.


Are you in favour of leaving regardless of what kind of deal we get?


The only way to resolve this mess is to have a general election, let the main party's lay out their basic visions of Brexit and let the public decide which they want.

 

Just drops back to world trade rules. Which has been suggested isn't a totaly bad thing.

That said i don't think anyone truly believes a new agreement can;t be reached that is beneficial to all. We import alot of goods from the EU and they have a vested interest in a good deal as well.

IF the deal is done right will be very beneficial and open up new markets. EU is massively clunky and one region can stop something dead in its tracks, and before you say no it can't, go look up the Canada EU trade deal.

 

You forget f,ucking up Scotland. possibly taking the Eire/NI relationship back decades and stuffing the pound. And to cap it all the price of Marmite


David


PS. Just suppose for a moment that we held a second referendum and the pendulum had swung and showed remainers in a majority and Brexit went ahead then UK would be going against the will of the people. Just asking. d

 

Well done for this Lincolnshire Mp resigning. He felt he was a reluctant leave supporter. He doesn't represent his constituents views. I hope he is honest enough to say he supports remain if he decides to stand as independent/Labour. Alternatively he should step down and let someone aligned to the local public take his place unchallenged.

 

The EU is not an economy, there are 28 economies in the EU. So we don't directly import anything from the EU.


Most countries in the EU have a deficit with the UK, therefore it's not actually as straightforward as your rather simplistic argument makes out.


The fact that a region can stop something in it's tracks kind of destroys your argument about how a 'beneficial for all' trade deal between the EU and UK is likely to be made. The UK is a much bigger economy than Canada's and our trade is far more diverse.

 

So you would expect the winning party to stick with its contrived vision (contrived to win votes that is) once elected? That's very trusting of you! And if a coalition were the outcome, what then? Just imagine the bugger's muddle that would result. I suspect the EU is already giggling following yesterday's court decision, they would be in hysterics at a general election.

And as it happens I voted to remain but strongly believe in the democratic process.

 

'Contrived vision'


We don't have any kind of vision at the moment.


I don't care what the EU thinks of our democratic process. We currently have a binary answer to a multi-faceted outcome, and a government acting like a dictatorship.

 

lol, Brexit means Brexit

makes perfect sense

 

Can you really see country's like Germany and France allowing a huge hit on their economy?

 

yeah, your using big words Martin

they simply don't get it

 

how many times does these need pointing out

we negotiate with the EU not Germany / France et al

they will have a say off course, like every member state - but every country has a veto

and we know this - because in the Canada negotiation Belgium scuppered it

and guess who backed down and had their demands watered down

yep the Canadians

 

We're all far too dim to understand: and while you are knocking the intelligence of others it's 'you're'.

 

They may have no choice, if they can't get the other 25 countries to agree with them.


Besides I doubt it would be a 'huge hit' anyway

 

and how important is that trade to germany and france? (only use those two cos they are the biggest). How much is it? is it 10% of vw's sales? etc etc

Right now its a view between optimism and pessimism. Bit like what the vote was made into, those pessimists are being proven wrong time and time again. In 5 years we will know.

 

you do realize we don't have to go through EU to setup a trade agreement with each country? we could form free trade agreements with each country individually if needs be.

Plenty of options out there

 

wrong - we have to negotiate trade deals wit the EU not individual states

 

From what I understand from speaking to one of the lawyers within the company (it goes very into deep legal stuff so way way over my head and google isn;t your friend in this case haha), it can actually be done. Has to be worded in specific ways and certain things done but isn't impossible.

But that said it would be easier to negotiate 1 than 28.

But all this is a bit of a moot point and we won't know till the time comes.

 

Sorry didn't respond to your last q, but the replies posted pretty much cover it.


This is another example of the misinformation that led to the result of the referendum.


I don't believe MPs will vote to remain, I think our course has been set regardless of the negative impact to the country and the world at large.

 

I wonder what all those poor souls who googled 'what is Brexit' on the 24th June got back as a result?


'Brexit, meaning TBC, for now it means Brexit'

 

haha yeah

 

Nicely done, sir.

 

And that in itself is the whole problem with the EU. It's our way or the highway

 

Well they might if a second referendum showed a change in the will of the people. I think there is a valid argument for a second referendum as the one we had was such a farce - walking blindfold into the ballot box. Even now we would still be in the dark but there is some light emerging.


But would May have the metaphorical ***** to take this step? I very much doubt it. David