Yes the jobs would still exist but you may well find that the visa requirements change and that may or may not be a problem. It really ultimately depends on what the arrangements end up being, if they allow a reasonable transition period before enforcing any new rules then it shouldn't be an issue but if it's a hard cut off then it could cause problems.

As for funding, it depends on the level of funding required. The EU pot for R&D work will undoubtedly be bigger than the pot BIS would allow independently.

 

But that's up to our government to put right, surely?

 

I'm unsure what that's supposed to mean.

I think I do know MYself. It seems that it's YOUR mask that slips, not mine You'll find MY posts pretty consistent.

Sorry, but once again, you ignore my point: let's get the UK in order before trying to solve others countries' problems.

If YOUR family was going hungry, homeless, without care, jobless, would YOU want your salary diverted to help others first? Be honest now......

 

We've covered this already, for some odd reason you are altruistic towards the UK but not towards others for no good reason. You now seem to have added "for those that pay in" to try and justify it, but there's loads of people in the UK who have never, and never will, pay in, so by your reckoning we should throw them to the wolves.

And you say your posts are consistent.........

 

If you READ my posts, I mention that the many who cannot now pay in, their parents/grandparents did, and may even continue so to do.

Are you even aware that, if you sign on as out of work, your stamp is still paid, the amount given reflects that?

As for altruism, it's all well and good, but I ask you the same question that I asked Martin:

If YOUR family was going hungry, homeless, without care, jobless, would YOU want your salary diverted to help others first? Be honest now.....

Your posturing does you no good at ALL. IAJFEE.

Also, you state I lack altruism towards others "for no good reason". Perhaps I'm worried that, should we go your route, we'll all go down the sh!tter, INCLUDING those in the UK. You don't chuck good money after bad.

Last week I was in town with my eldest son, a student. He was moved by the plight of a young homeless man. I stopped him giving the man money, since he has little of his own, and can hardly afford to eat as it is, but gave the man £5 out of my own pocket. Perhaps those countries with LESS debt than the UK can do more????

What part of the TRILLIONS of pounds of debt do you lot NOT understand??????????

 

What has this got to do with anything? My ancestors are not responsible for me, nor am I excused anything due to the action of them! Dear me, that is weak.

So what? If you have never worked, you are still getting money for nothing, even if they take some out of it. That's not hard to understand.

Firstly, running a country that has to exist in a community of nations is somewhat different from the economics of your family. Life is not that simple, the world is not that simple.

The irony being that your position is exactly that. Look after the UK **** everyone else. You couldn't make it up.

Let's stop benefits then, see how that turns out.

Good for you, but I think all that story shows is that your son is considerably more humane than you.

You make it sound like we are alone in being in debt. Virtually all the nations on Earth are in debt. The real question is, what percentage of our GDP is in debt? Well, we are not even in the top 15, so we're not doing too badly. It's not great, I'll admit, but we doing alot better then most nations.

 

Right changing tack


How do people feel this vote is going to go?


My view is that it's going to be a really tight one. I sense that the 'outers' are more likely to turn out than the 'inners'.


Looks like London, Scotland & Wales will be heavily for 'in' with the rest of England and Northern Ireland voting for 'out'

 

Assuming I was earning a salary then your hypothetical doesn't actually make sense.


'Trillions' - do you even fact check yourself, or are you just happy to throw around exaggerations - UK national debt is £1.5 Trillion - not 'TRILLIONS' which you decided to upper-case for effect.

 

yeah I would agree the out'er will benefit from high turnout

people really have no excuses for not voting, it is up to the "in" campaign to make sure people don't get complacent

 

Which bit?

Strictly speaking he is correct though, what with trillions being the plural of trillion and £1.5 trillion being a multiple of a trillion.

 

Ducked the question Martin. Not like you...oh...wait...

Last time I looked one and a half trillions was plural. Maths not your strongpoint either? LOL

 

Where did I say they were? Yet surely those whose families and who have themselves paid in have more right to expect support than those who never have and never will?


despite what you might think, the number of people in the UK who have NEVER worked is minuscule. and most of them would like to work...but the jobs they could do are now taken by...yes, you guessed, immigrants.



It may not be so...but the idea seems to have defeated you? You will not be able to help anyone if UK goes down the sh!tter..not even those FROM the UK? Good idea?

Yep, look after this country first. Then, if there's owt left, give it away. If I'm starving, or my family is, I don't give away my livelihood...and I'd like to bet, neither do you?



The usual strawman argument. Silly.



Rubbish. Look after those in the UK now. THEN look after others if there's anything left in the pot.



We may be, but it doesn't alter the FACT that we cannot afford to live as we have been doing in this country, let alone give money away to others. Why do you think austerity is the name of the game?

 

does anyone know what the exact wording of the question is

or has it not been decided

 

Government wording:

Choices - please tick your selection

a) I'm intelligent and I wish to retain the multiple benefits of EU membership

b) I'm bloody stupid and wish to leave the EU community

 

hahahahaha. Got that the wrong way round.

How about:
a) I've thought this through and want to live outside the thieving grasping gravy train, or,

b) Im alright Jack, so fek everyone else, let's stay in!!!


More likely will be either:

a) stay as members of the EU, or,

b) Don't , not , vote out otherwise stay in.


LOL

I'm pretty sure that Dave and Co, given the wrong answer, will either a) ignore it, or b) tell us it's not binding, and was just a pointer as to how we all felt, or c) tell us the EU says we have to do it all again next year and meanwhile we're still in.

Unlike some trusting souls on here, I have zero faith that the EU can be trusted, hence,

VOTE OUT!!!!!!

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/92045e38-d...#axzz41xtaQUJb

Just a little food for thought.

 

If English people weren't so lazy and up them selves then they wouldn't need to give the jobs to immigrants.

If they wanted to work they would get up off their fat lazy asses and get a ****ing job. Immigrants do jobs the bits are too "good" to do.

 

I'm guessing it will be along the lines of:

Should the UK not leave the EU?
YES
NO

 

Lol, you may be right

Although would it change things if the question is

Should the UK remain in the EU
Yes
No

Or maybe

Should the UK leave the EU
yes
No

Small things can have big effects !!!

What is the psychology, do people say Yes or No - as a default answer ?

Lol {smiley face}

 

No surprise that most of the "outers" are science denier conspirito fvctards

Let's vote to go back to the Middle Ages!!!!!!!

 

Stop talking twaddle.

Your attempted wind-ups are now entering the realms of stupidity.

 

Nope...it says they are climate scientist who fear the removal of their funding.

 

So according to some here you're intelligence is gauged on if you vote in or out.

Based on that alone, this thread is absolutely of no benefit to anyone and a waste of time reading let alone replying. I honestly thought better of some on here on their insight, not now though....

...I'm out of here!

 

It's impossible exercise anyway, we could be worse off financially either way, we could be worse off socially either way.
almost comes down to a philosophical debate

 

So on that basis, we should all vote out. 👍🏻

 

Exactly

 

The original 'In' voters were conned into believing that the UK/Europe relationship was purely a free trade arrangement. I wonder how they will vote now?

 

It might not hurt to read the article, it quite clearly says pharmaceuticals and biotech companies.

Oh and just a bit more light reading. In short to maintain the level of research work we currently do the government would need to set aside a further £8.8billion.

https://royalsociety.org/~/media/pol...ship-of-eu.pdf

 

Hi All,

Just read this entire thread on a plane. Very illuminating!

Ali, you and I have rarely seen eye to eye, but your contributions to this thread are significantly the most relevant and well balanced.

It seems too many on here in both the in and the out camp are not looking at the whole picture. The likes of alcazar, martin2005 and jonc are far too entrenched and narrow minded to be able to consider the wider issues, but I would have hoped that the likes of hodgy and neil are capable of looking at the issue from all sides.

As for the question wording has Google been turned off in the UK?

A quick zoom over to the Electoral Commsion website and you can find out that their proposed question wording is:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union

Their proposed version of the question was accepted by the Government and UK Parliament in the House of Commons on 7 September 2015.

 

I do try but getting this thread away from immigration seems to be all but impossible. A little bit frustrating really given there's far more to the debate than just boarder control.

Any ways, how's Oz treating you?