I've not followed this thread, but IMO immigration may well increase after BREXIT due to a stronger economy (thanks to less bureaucracy, over regulation and red tape), however the way these migrants are looked at will change. They'll be seen as a resource for a growing economy, rather than a burden.

People seem to forget that one of the reasons the UK economy has been so much more successful since the 2008 financial crisis is that we're not fully in the EU. We have our own currency and our own central bank, so we've been able to tailor rates to those which suit our economy.

The Euro has been an absolute disaster, with the main beneficiary being Germany who are able to use a currency that is much weaker than the Deutschmark would be, and as a result it supports their export driven economy, at the expense of Southern European countries whose economies are basically sacrificed.

The UK has the potential to be almost like a Hong Kong lite in Europe after a BREXIT.

Someone I work with was banging on about how he's read that interest rates would rise after BREXIT, which I agree would happen faster, but this isn't a bad thing, its what happens when you have a stronger economy - wages inflation would also increase, so for people worrying about mortgages the earning/price ratio would likely fall as the higher wages start to make prices more affordable.

 

So all sunshine and rainbows then? And all this down to less regulation and red tape?

Out of interest which regulations and what red tape are the Leave side claiming we are going to get rid of?

 

Ironically, the very immigrants we need to fuel a stronger economy, should that happen, would be the very thing they try to stop. It's like Monty Python......

 

Yes we need those functionally illiterate refugees sooooo badly....

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...lliterate.html

 

Shock horror

Young men and women growing up in a war zone aren't as educated to the level of young Germans

Or maybe they are simply thick

 

It's only a matter of time before we hear them start to say "unter menschen".

We've already had a UKIP MEP openly say on TV she didn't like the Europeans because "they don't speak English".

Of course, I'ms sure she is doing her best to reform the EU to our advantage with opinions like that......

 

Epsom/ Surry generally badly needs watering down a bit

 

Like your brains you mean?

 

Afternoon Alf.

 

Watch this video and ponder what is being stated

 

He's very worried about the muzzies isn't he !

 

Presumably the stand up routine didn't work out

 

On EU referendum:

Britain has been described as the most corrupt country in the world, according to a journalist and expert on the Italian Mafia. I'm not saying that that's the case, but he says it here:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/br...-a3259296.html

From the article:

It’s not the bureaucracy, it’s not the police, it’s not the politics but what is corrupt is the financial capital. 90 per cent of the owners of capital in London have their headquarters offshore...Jersey and the Cayman’s are the access gates to criminal capital in Europe and the UK is the country that allows it...

...Mr Saviano also weighed in on the EU referendum debate, warning a vote to leave the union would see Britain even more exposed to organised crime.

He added: “Leaving the EU means allowing this to take place. It means allowing the Qatari societies, the Mexican cartels, the Russian Mafia to gain even more power and HSBC has paid £2 billion Euros in fines to the US government, because it confessed that it had laundered money coming from the cartels and the Iranian companies".

Makes you think.

Apologies if this stance has already been discussed here.

 

Nope, Britain will be great again and to suggest anything less is scaremongering.

 

So true

 

Superb find.

 

But at least it'd be OUR decision and not one imposed on us by Brussels

 

Really?

 

LOL, just another swivel-eyed ideologue


How many times do people like this need to mention 'unelected bureaucrats', do they think it sounds impressive?


Is there any other kind of bureaucrat?

 

And? A bad decision is still a bad decision regardless of who mad it.

 

Very apt parapraxis, Neil.

 

And to think these very same bunch of loons gave us the Quango's of the 90's

All this talk about soverignty and power to the people only fools the idiots

 

Brilliant

 

Great to see polls showing a swing towards a BREXIT

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-voters-...144534672.html

 

Poll of polls still shows Remain with a 3 point lead. It will be very close, it could end up being a decent win for either side, as the Scottish referendum showed.

 

...who make up the majority of the population.

 

"
The percentage of UK or other Member States’ law which is based on or influenced by EU law is a complex and technical question, with no definitive answer.
The vast majority of EU legislation is jointly decided by MEPs – directly elected by citizens to the European Parliament – and by national Ministers sitting in the Council of the European Union, on proposals from the European Commission.
Once EU law is agreed by MEPs and national Ministers, all Member States apply it in accordance with their own national tradition – provided the law is properly applied, how that is done is a matter for each Member State to decide.
Each Member State has a different constitutional, governmental and legal system with a different balance between the different levels of authority – for example, France is a relatively centralised state, Germany a federal one and the UK operates devolved government for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. So the figures for the proportion of overall national legal texts derived from EU law would be different everywhere. That is why the European Commission does not itself collect information or evidence on the proportion of national legislation linked to EU law.
But there have been various attempts at national level in a number of Member States to calculate some approximate figures.
In the UK, the best-known is the paper, “How Much Legislation Comes from Europe?” published by the House of Commons library in 2010. It concludes that over the twelve-year period from 1997 to 2009:
– 6.8% of primary legislation (Statutes) and 14.1% of secondary legislation (Statutory Instruments) had a role in implementing EU obligations (P1 of the paper);
– somewhere between 15 and 50 % of other administrative regulation that does not pass through the British parliament is either directly applicable EU regulation or UK administrative regulation applying EU rules (P2-3 of the paper). Most of this is detailed technical provisions.
Meanwhile, a 2012 London School of Economics article summing up other existing research across Europe concludes: “The striking finding is that most of these studies showed rather low shares of Europeanized national legislation: 15.5 per cent for the UK, 14 per cent for Denmark, 10.6 per cent for Austria, between 3 and 27 per cent for France, between 1 and 24 per cent for Finland, yet 39.1 per cent for Germany.” It goes on to say that – for the reasons explored briefly above, including the fact Germany is a federal state where less domestic legislation is national and more laws are made at regional level – “these figures can tell us very little about the impact of EU-policy-making”.
It is, however, safe to say that they do tell us that the claim that “75% of UK law is now made in Brussels” is demonstrably incorrect.
Finally, it is worth reiterating that, despite the frequent misleading portraits and stereotypes in parts of the British media of “Brussels bureaucrats”, “EU diktats” and British business being “strangled by red tape”, where UK laws ARE derived from EU ones, those EU laws have not been imposed on the UK by anonymous officials but voted on – and in the vast majority of cases supported – by British MEPs and Ministers."

Funny, now that doesn't sound like how Leave portray things. Leave ultimately depends on appealing to natural xenophobia and fear about the impact of immigrants on the economy and services. There is no economic case. Sadly, I think they may well pull it off.

 

The TUC woman was quite against the 'leaving' on the News today. She's worried about the international orders some big firms e.g. Airbus etc. will be losing; which will lead to the skilled workforce losing their jobs.

 

Airbus in the UK only make the wings and is only really in the UK due to workshare agreements when BAE Systems owned a stake in Airbus. Since BAE sold their stake back to Airbus, there has been a lot of pressure to move production back to France or Germany, but due to the large investments in carbon fiber composite technologies in the UK facilities, so far they've decided to keep it there.

Officially, Airbus say they won't pull out of the UK following brexit, and its unlikely they will move the satellite business (Airbus DS), but the wing production may well be moved, particularly as the German Bremen site is currently short of work.

 

An EU judge says that employers can ban muslim headscarfs. Surely that's a vote winner for the Remainians.